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Re: The $55M saga of a Netflix series nobody will ever see

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Post by jedberg »

boeingUH60 wrote: post #98
jedberg wrote: post #94

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> The US tax code is very clear on that point and is not open for debate. Anyone who has ever worked with an accountant knows this isn't true. The law is a series of gray areas at best. You can have three accountants do your taxes and get three results, because each applies different interpretations to the laws. And going in front of a judge won't get extra clarity -- three judges would give you three different opini…

I love how you're being called out for how wrong you are on this thread, but somehow manage to double down and always ask "but what about?..."

But that’s what tax accounting is. Asking “what if we interpret the tax code this way?”

It’s all gray areas. See my sibling comment about how to write off future profits.

Re: The $55M saga of a Netflix series nobody will ever see

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Post by drewcoo »

dylan604 wrote: post #70
hinkley wrote: post #55

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SciFi did a miniseries, just before or just after they changed their name. It wasn't bad. I think it was about 10 hours. The problem is that a lot of the payoff is at the end of book 3, and then book four tips the whole thing upside down with some deep religious and philosophical elements that I'm not sure everyone is ready for. I'm always a little surprised how few people have read Dune relative to Lord of the Rings…

>with some deep religious and philosophical elements that I'm not sure everyone is ready for. This is how I felt about Battlestar. I barely remember watching the original series as a kid, but I just remember a couple of character names, Cylons (which I thought were cool), the space ships, and the human in the dark room ontop of the pyramid shape the Cylons talked to. That was it. Then I watched the reboot, and was sh…

BSG was always "Mormons in space." With recycled props from Buck Rogers back in the 80s.

Buck Rogers was not religious. It was pure episodic adventure. The TV series has nothing on the (or any) Buster Crabbe serial from the 30s.

Re: The $55M saga of a Netflix series nobody will ever see

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Post by kadoban »

WalterBright wrote: post #85
hinkley wrote: post #55

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SciFi did a miniseries, just before or just after they changed their name. It wasn't bad. I think it was about 10 hours. The problem is that a lot of the payoff is at the end of book 3, and then book four tips the whole thing upside down with some deep religious and philosophical elements that I'm not sure everyone is ready for. I'm always a little surprised how few people have read Dune relative to Lord of the Rings…

I don't understand all the love for Dune. I read it, it was ok, and that was it. 3 underwhelming film adaptations is more than enough. Special effects don't make a movie anymore. What matters is plot (and music). For example, "Colossus the Forbin Project" is very good. Some other very good scifi movies: . Invaders from Mars . Flash Gordon (1980) . Terminator . Star Wars IV . Alien

> I don't understand all the love for Dune. I read it, it was ok, and that was it. 3 underwhelming film adaptations is more than enough.

It's the Count of Monte Cristo meets Star Wars, with great world building, pretty good plot and characters and a lot of interesting philosophy, sociology, strategy and tactics. What's not to love?

The scifi miniseries was decent. The 1984 one was...barely Dune, though I enjoyed it. The current one is the first really good adaptation IMO, I don't think it's overrepresented at all.

Re: The $55M saga of a Netflix series nobody will ever see

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Post by geoelectric »

WalterBright wrote: post #88
dylan604 wrote: post #70

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>with some deep religious and philosophical elements that I'm not sure everyone is ready for. This is how I felt about Battlestar. I barely remember watching the original series as a kid, but I just remember a couple of character names, Cylons (which I thought were cool), the space ships, and the human in the dark room ontop of the pyramid shape the Cylons talked to. That was it. Then I watched the reboot, and was sh…

You can never reboot Max "perhaps you should execute their trainer" von Sydow as Ming the Merciless. Melody Anderson. Queen soundtrack. A true masterpiece.

That’s Flash Gordon.

Re: The $55M saga of a Netflix series nobody will ever see

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Post by Galacta7 »

bigmattystyles wrote: post #81
dylan604 wrote: post #70

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>with some deep religious and philosophical elements that I'm not sure everyone is ready for. This is how I felt about Battlestar. I barely remember watching the original series as a kid, but I just remember a couple of character names, Cylons (which I thought were cool), the space ships, and the human in the dark room ontop of the pyramid shape the Cylons talked to. That was it. Then I watched the reboot, and was sh…

Religious overtones or are ancient religious texts the original sci-fi where its adherents a few generations removed never got the memo? Only kinda joking. I too picked up on battlestar, resurrection, the twelve tribes (or colonies?) lords ok Kobol and so on. I think someone told me at some point the original was Mormons in space.

The original show's creator, Glen Larson, was a Mormon - so it tracks that the show incorporated a lot of that theology. Also, one of the main antagonists is Count Iblis, someone who seeks to lead the colonists to follow him, though he is revealed to be essentially a prince of darkness. "Iblis" is the Islamic name for Satan, so another religious element. Even his backstory is similar to the Abrahamic view of the devil, "he [Count Iblis] was previously a Being of Light who fell from grace after using his powers for evil purposes."

Ron Moore's reimagined version of Battlestar includes strong themes of reincarnation and life being a cycle, which also tracks with Moore's past interest in Hinduism and other Eastern religions.

Re: The $55M saga of a Netflix series nobody will ever see

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Post by crooked-v »

jedberg wrote: post #83
nradov wrote: post #82

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Bullshit. You can't write off "lost profits". The US corporate income tax code contains no such provision. Don't believe anything you read in the entertainment press, it's mostly fake news or at least not fact checked. Go ask your own income tax accountant if you don't believe me.

Ok, well then why didn't they release the movie? Why did they say it would be more profitable to not release it? You're either smarter than the entirety of Warner Brother's finance department, or wrong.

Possibly because Zaslav, the new boss, hates cartoons (not hyperbole, he's said things to that effect himself) and that colored any judgment on the release of the film.

Re: The $55M saga of a Netflix series nobody will ever see

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Post by fzzzy »

WalterBright wrote: post #85
hinkley wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SciFi did a miniseries, just before or just after they changed their name. It wasn't bad. I think it was about 10 hours. The problem is that a lot of the payoff is at the end of book 3, and then book four tips the whole thing upside down with some deep religious and philosophical elements that I'm not sure everyone is ready for. I'm always a little surprised how few people have read Dune relative to Lord of the Rings…

I don't understand all the love for Dune. I read it, it was ok, and that was it. 3 underwhelming film adaptations is more than enough. Special effects don't make a movie anymore. What matters is plot (and music). For example, "Colossus the Forbin Project" is very good. Some other very good scifi movies: . Invaders from Mars . Flash Gordon (1980) . Terminator . Star Wars IV . Alien

Just watched Colossus yesterday. Quite enjoyable.

Re: The $55M saga of a Netflix series nobody will ever see

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Post by RajT88 »

kadoban wrote: post #113
WalterBright wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand all the love for Dune. I read it, it was ok, and that was it. 3 underwhelming film adaptations is more than enough. Special effects don't make a movie anymore. What matters is plot (and music). For example, "Colossus the Forbin Project" is very good. Some other very good scifi movies: . Invaders from Mars . Flash Gordon (1980) . Terminator . Star Wars IV . Alien

> I don't understand all the love for Dune. I read it, it was ok, and that was it. 3 underwhelming film adaptations is more than enough. It's the Count of Monte Cristo meets Star Wars, with great world building, pretty good plot and characters and a lot of interesting philosophy, sociology, strategy and tactics. What's not to love? The scifi miniseries was decent. The 1984 one was...barely Dune, though I enjoyed it.…

1984 Dune was enjoyable as a bonkers Lynch movie, less so as a Dune adaptation.

I actually credit the 1984 Dune with turning me on to Lynch.

Re: The $55M saga of a Netflix series nobody will ever see

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Post by duskwuff »

askonomm wrote: post #73
kjuulh wrote: post #64

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I rewatch it once a year or so. I haven't caved yet and read the books. But I still hope for a 3rd season even though it is probably never going to happen

Yeah, Netflix said it was too expensive to make, and yet they shelve $55M worth of a show ...

> and yet they shelve $55M worth of a show ...

A show which cost $55M, not necessarily one which is worth $55M. The article gives me the impression that those funds weren't spent responsibly; for all we know, this could be the sci-fi version of The Room.

Re: The $55M saga of a Netflix series nobody will ever see

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Post by Tostino »

dmos62 wrote: post #103
dylan604 wrote: post #72

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In the "2-3 hours of the hobbit which was good" are you including the animated versions as well? I'd be hard pressed to find 2-3 hours from the travesty that Jackson made

What didn't you like about it?

Different person, but just about everything. It simply wasn't enjoyable, at all. I'm just talking about the first hobbit, I have somehow managed to purge the memory of seeing the others from my memory.
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