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Re: Google admits cracking down on people using ad blockers

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Post by Jensson »

0b100 wrote: post #50
INTPenis wrote: post #8

The free ride is over. I feel like the only reason this is upsetting to people is because it seemed to be free for so long. If you give someone a free meal every day for 15 years, and then suddenly take it away, they'll be pretty upset. But nobody ever asked why the food was free? It costs to make and it costs to deliver. Google have datacenters all over the world and we still expect the food to be free. They literal…

"the only reason this is upsetting to people is because it seemed to be free for so long" The issue, at least to me, is that Google has a sort of monopoly on >99% of content on Youtube. They provide virtually nothing[0] to content creators other than free †⸸ video hosting, and in return they get to gatekeep the content itself. All of the cost is offloaded onto the consumer, and there is little to no incentive (arguab…

> It costs to make, but it's not Google that has to pay

Google pays creators 55% of the ad revenue, so yes Google has to pay for those videos.

> It costs to deliver, but why should Google be the only party who gets to deliver other people's content?

People upload to YouTube because YouTube gives them plenty of ad revenue. They don't upload to sites without a lot of ads since that would reduce their ad revenue.

Re: Google admits cracking down on people using ad blockers

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Post by shric »

charcircuit wrote: post #56
tomrod wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT ADS No. I believe you missed/ignored a few facts in your screed: 1. Ads are a malware surface 2. Ads are used to pass misinformation and other harmful content Google is failing to perform its due diligence as an ad platform for both sides of the ad two-sided market. Ergo, my browser connection will continue to use its condoms. -- Further, Google paid for little to any content creation that is…

>1. Ads are a malware surface Youtube ads, Which is what we are talking about, are not. >2. Ads are used to pass misinformation and other harmful content This is a small percentage of ads.

Also, YouTube itself is used to pass misinformation and harmful content (also in a small percentage of videos).

It's up to the viewer to decide how to act on it.

Re: Google admits cracking down on people using ad blockers

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Post by realusername »

justrealist wrote: post #24
avazhi wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry bud, Google makes its money spying on my email and my searches. Those are tradeoffs I’m willing to make. I absolutely refuse to ever watch ads, though. You say we can’t go back torrents, and maybe you can’t, but I’ll go full Luddite mode before I start watching ads on anything. I haven’t had a television for 20+ years for this very reason. Torrents and a seed box are about as easy as it gets.

You could, of course, just pay YouTube $14/mo for the ad-free version instead of complaining.

I'm okay to pay personally, just not 10x what Google would get if I was watching ad, I just want to cover the costs of the ads and nothing more.

Re: Google admits cracking down on people using ad blockers

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Post by Jensson »

alex7734 wrote: post #52
Jensson wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pirating OS users tend to become paying OS users after a while, when they need to perform a job etc. Ad blocking users aren't becoming paying or ad-viewing users, they stay unprofitable forever.

They stay unprofitable forever individually but they stay on YouTube instead of making another video site popular, which on the whole is better for YouTube.

But that isn't an as big deal as it sounds. Many use TikTok for example, but TikTok barely pays anything to creators so anyone who gets big on TikTok moves to YouTube to make money. As long as you make the most money at YouTube that will keep happening, and all those ads is why people make so much money making videos on YouTube.

This leads to an Apple situation where Apple doesn't have the most users but most of the money goes to them since they can extract much more money per user. It isn't a bad situation to be in.

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Post by LargeTomato »

jfengel wrote: post #19

The word "admit" in a headline always raises my hackles. This wasn't a secret. Your reporter didn't wheedle the truth out of them. You sent an email, and they responded with what they had already said countless times.

Journalism like this should be removed.

Re: Google admits cracking down on people using ad blockers

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Post by LargeTomato »

0b100 wrote: post #50
INTPenis wrote: post #8

The free ride is over. I feel like the only reason this is upsetting to people is because it seemed to be free for so long. If you give someone a free meal every day for 15 years, and then suddenly take it away, they'll be pretty upset. But nobody ever asked why the food was free? It costs to make and it costs to deliver. Google have datacenters all over the world and we still expect the food to be free. They literal…

"the only reason this is upsetting to people is because it seemed to be free for so long" The issue, at least to me, is that Google has a sort of monopoly on >99% of content on Youtube. They provide virtually nothing[0] to content creators other than free †⸸ video hosting, and in return they get to gatekeep the content itself. All of the cost is offloaded onto the consumer, and there is little to no incentive (arguab…

I was under the assumption that Google puts a large percentage of revenue into paying content creators and that YouTube is much more lucrative than Tiktok.

YouTube wasn't even profitable until relatively recently (2018?).

Re: Google admits cracking down on people using ad blockers

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Post by JKCalhoun »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #38
INTPenis wrote: post #8

The free ride is over. I feel like the only reason this is upsetting to people is because it seemed to be free for so long. If you give someone a free meal every day for 15 years, and then suddenly take it away, they'll be pretty upset. But nobody ever asked why the food was free? It costs to make and it costs to deliver. Google have datacenters all over the world and we still expect the food to be free. They literal…

That's actually the really annoying part to me - I don't mind paying for content or for useful services, but if you operate one way for over a decade and use that time to consolidate the entire market and get in a position where you have no real competition, and only once you own the market do you drive up prices and make the free experience awful , than that does actually seem quite unreasonable (and in an ideal wor…

That's a legitimate point.

Also, I would prefer to pay the content creators directly. Charge me for time spent viewing — give that portion of my subscription to the content creators I was watching.

Re: Google admits cracking down on people using ad blockers

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Post by JKCalhoun »

avazhi wrote: post #12
INTPenis wrote: post #8

The free ride is over. I feel like the only reason this is upsetting to people is because it seemed to be free for so long. If you give someone a free meal every day for 15 years, and then suddenly take it away, they'll be pretty upset. But nobody ever asked why the food was free? It costs to make and it costs to deliver. Google have datacenters all over the world and we still expect the food to be free. They literal…

Sorry bud, Google makes its money spying on my email and my searches. Those are tradeoffs I’m willing to make. I absolutely refuse to ever watch ads, though. You say we can’t go back torrents, and maybe you can’t, but I’ll go full Luddite mode before I start watching ads on anything. I haven’t had a television for 20+ years for this very reason. Torrents and a seed box are about as easy as it gets.

Yeah, I cut the TV cord 24 years ago.
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