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Re: Shopify live dashboard

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Post by lm28469 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #48
hombre_fatal wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are just pointing out how funny it is to have any sort of environmental savings metric for a sales event known for impulse FOMO purchases.

But that’s the entire point. It isn’t funny, it is legitimate effort to offset the harm caused by consumer demand that won’t go away. My problem is that it is flippant, ignores the nuance, and is borderline ignorant. It has no place here, whereas the math around the topic does. Curiosity and discovery over shitposting.

> consumer demand that won’t go away

We created it, it didn't exist even 100 years ago... let's not act like this is some sort of universal law we have to abide to

Re: Shopify live dashboard

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Post by abdullahkhalids »

nosefurhairdo wrote: post #80
olivier_martel wrote: post #6

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Hilarious, should be carbon added by all this unnecessary consumption made easy by them.

Blaming a reduction in transaction costs for increased consumption is seriously missing the mark. I don't know if there's data for this, but I can imagine that by improving the online shopping experience Shopify could have reduced the amount of unnecessary physical shopping trips thereby indirectly reducing carbon emissions. This analysis out of MIT would support that theory: https://ctl.mit.edu/pub/thesis/environmen…

Looking at Fig 2 in the Executive Summary pdf, most of the CO2e emissions for physical shopping is from customer transportation to store - between 50-80% for the various scenarios they considered. For online shopping about 50% of the emissions are from packaging.

The main lessons I see are

- If you drive, then switching to online will reduce emissions by about 30%.

- If you don't drive, and instead bus or walk to shopping stores, then your emissions will be about 10-20% of the car-drivers or online shoppers.

Re: Shopify live dashboard

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Post by varispeed »

tiberriver256 wrote: post #29

Amazing how concentrated the wealth of the world is.

You can flip the argument and say how corrupt and anti-capitalism are other parts of the world.

Despots don't want people they rule to unleash their potential, because that would challenge the status quo and their position.

Re: Shopify live dashboard

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Post by ndriscoll »

onion2k wrote: post #87
ndriscoll wrote: post #57

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The dashboard shows 25k orders per minute right now (~400/s). A modern server shouldn't even be close to 1% utilization to handle that.

Are you assuming that 1 order is one inbound request, one database transaction, and one outbound response? Because it isn't that. You need to integrate with address verification services, fraud detection, payment services, stock management, communications like email and alerting, telemetry, and more. It's all manageable and a lot of it can be queued, but it's still hard.

I'm not, otherwise something like 0.1% would be a reasonable upper bound. Even if you figure each order involves 20 async steps, that would be ~8k steps per second, which is nothing for a modern server. My old i5 can do 70k simple requests/second (the first type you describe) on the JVM with the app and database on the same computer (so contending for CPU time). A modern server CPU is ~15x more capable than mine without getting into multi-socket.

Put another way, a dual socket Xeon platinum can give you 120 cores. To do 400 orders/second on such a machine, you need to do less than 300 ms of core-time per order, which is an insanely large number. The things you mentioned spend almost all of their time waiting.

Re: Shopify live dashboard

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Post by xkekjrktllss »

gravitronic wrote: post #60
aquova wrote: post #5

What is their basis for the "Carbon Removed" stat?

I see lots of criticism in this thread and elsewhere about that carbon removed stat. I would love to see more productive criticism, where people make suggestions on how they could do it better, instead of just criticizing a company of this scale at least doing something. Or examples of companies that are doing a better job of it. Personally I'd prefer if they didn't call it carbon removed unless they were actually do…

>I would love to see more productive criticism, where people make suggestions on how they could do it better

Not do it at all, because it's obviously bullshit. Even in the best of cases, it's a speculative con. The only purpose is to make people feel good about consuming more, which they do to distract from their miserable and alienated existence in late-capitalist society.

Re: Shopify live dashboard

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Post by nozzlegear »

xkekjrktllss wrote: post #95
gravitronic wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see lots of criticism in this thread and elsewhere about that carbon removed stat. I would love to see more productive criticism, where people make suggestions on how they could do it better, instead of just criticizing a company of this scale at least doing something. Or examples of companies that are doing a better job of it. Personally I'd prefer if they didn't call it carbon removed unless they were actually do…

> I would love to see more productive criticism, where people make suggestions on how they could do it better Not do it at all, because it's obviously bullshit. Even in the best of cases, it's a speculative con. The only purpose is to make people feel good about consuming more, which they do to distract from their miserable and alienated existence in late-capitalist society.

> which they do to distract from their miserable and alienated existence in late-capitalist society.

Is that so?

Re: Shopify live dashboard

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Post by adhi01 »

cloudking wrote: post #34
xal wrote: post #26

We have been doing BFCM dashboards for the past 10 years now. It's always one of the most fun projects at Shopify and a great tradition now. You know, it's pretty abstract to run internet software companies. Seeing a visualization like this makes it a lot more relateable even for the folks that work here. This year we packed it with lots of fun details ( https://twitter.com/Shopify/status/1728040379163771020 ). Like…

Awesome work! You should break down the development in a blog post

Found this on YouTube: https://youtu.be/T1kkr8VMVqc?si=qq6JvEX2-kBL6jjL

Re: Shopify live dashboard

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Post by burke »

xkekjrktllss wrote: post #79
JLCarveth wrote: post #66

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Do you have any better criticism than that something is "cringe"? Otherwise this reads like something a teenager would write.

It's obviously utter nonsense. No serious and/or somewhat intelligent person could interpret said figure to have any useful meaning or need this explained to them. It's just plain bullshit.

https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/stripe...

https://www.shopify.com/ca/blog/carbon-removal

Re: Shopify live dashboard

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Post by nozzlegear »

xkekjrktllss wrote: post #90
JLCarveth wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I take it you're not a serious or intelligent person if you can't describe what you find "cringe" about a "carbon removed" statistic. Perhaps you should ask yourself why such a simple statistic bothers you so much.

No carbon has been removed from anywhere. It's just made up. It's as simple as that.

Shopify will quite literally remove the carbon from the air via the Direct Air Capture plants that they've purchased [1]. They're not saying "hey buy from us and we won't knock down a tree," they're literally pulling carbon from the air via DACs.

It's as simple as that.

[1] https://news.shopify.com/shopify-purchases-more-direct-air-c...

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