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Why Isn't Landfill Mining More Popular?

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Re: Why Isn't Landfill Mining More Popular?

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Some years ago, Switzerland completely stopped using landfills. All garbage is incinerated. The resulting slag is then processed to reclaim nearly all metals as well as some other important elements. Of course, the burning creates CO2. However, you don't have to mine and refine metal ores, and the incinerators also generate electricity and district heating. So the ecological balance is actually pretty good. As a fina…

How come the slag is far less problematic? You didn’t describe where it goes. I also don’t see the “ecological balance” here. That usually refers to relationships among organisms in an ecosystem where one’s waste is another’s sustenance, but where does the generated CO2 go? Or did you mean a trade-off of pollution?

The slag is less problematic, because chemicals are destroyed by the burning process. You're basically left with ceramics, melted glass, bits of metal and a bunch of oxides. After the useful elements (mainly metals) have been removed, the remaining slag is buried.

By ecological balance I was mostly referring to the emission of CO2. While that is an inevitable part of incineration, it is largely compensated by reclaiming the metals, plus using the incinerators to generate electricity and district heating.

As I recall, incinerators have a poor reputation in the US because unfiltered incinerators were used back in the 1940s and 1950s, causing serious pollution problems. Modern incinerators filter the flue gases and the results are clean enough that the incinerators are often inside cities.

Re: Why Isn't Landfill Mining More Popular?

#42
post #19

One of the protagonists of Kim Stanley Robinson’s ‘Mars’ trilogy (starting in ‘Blue Mars’ onwards IIRC) is a billionaire who made his billions by starting ‘dumpmines’, a landfill mining company.

> starting in ‘Blue Mars’

Starting with Red Mars. Blue Mars is last in the trilogy.

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#43
post #2

Some day once we strip the entire planet of its accessible natural resources and turn it into trash the landfills will be the only place left to scrounge for rare materials.

Will this happen before asteroid mining?

Depends how much cheaper it is.

Re: Why Isn't Landfill Mining More Popular?

#44

Some years ago, Switzerland completely stopped using landfills. All garbage is incinerated. The resulting slag is then processed to reclaim nearly all metals as well as some other important elements. Of course, the burning creates CO2. However, you don't have to mine and refine metal ores, and the incinerators also generate electricity and district heating. So the ecological balance is actually pretty good. As a fina…

> eventually will leak lovely chemicals into groundwater

Far better to transform them into even worse chemicals through exothermic reactions and send them invisibly through the air to all your neighbours.

Re: Why Isn't Landfill Mining More Popular?

#46
post #26

Some years ago, Switzerland completely stopped using landfills. All garbage is incinerated. The resulting slag is then processed to reclaim nearly all metals as well as some other important elements. Of course, the burning creates CO2. However, you don't have to mine and refine metal ores, and the incinerators also generate electricity and district heating. So the ecological balance is actually pretty good. As a fina…

>you don't have literal square miles of landfills that occupy land Land area is a non-issue. Google says Switzerland produces "80 to 90 million tonnes" of garbage per year. Assuming that garbage has the same density of water, and a landfill is 10 meters deep, a 1 sq mi landfill will last 287 years. Moreover, Wikipedia says Switzerland has 15,940 square miles of land, so that will only take up 0.006% of the country's…

this non-issue happened in a modern landfill near my hometown.

They just used a different grade of material and pocketed the difference.

The chemicals area leaching now into the groundwater. Any researchers reporting on that are sued. Even police is used for intimidation.

Country is Germany.

Re: Why Isn't Landfill Mining More Popular?

#47

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Could be true for small cities. But try to find an empty space suitable for landfill near NYC.

Up until 2001, it was inside NYC.

And now they ship it down south to states who are happy to take it.

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until you go to your local landfill and see the massive fuming hellscape spanning thousands of acres with mountains of garbage just laying there and mentally extrapolate how it will look even 10 more years from now.

It can look like this https://freshkillspark.org/

Thus, solving the problem once and for all!

Re: Why Isn't Landfill Mining More Popular?

#49
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The technology of landfills has massively improved over the years. It's not the old pile of garbage covered in birds forever; they turn them into parks and whatnot. It's probably worth looking up, because there's some cool scientific advancements behind it. I'm pulling this next sentence completely out of my ass, but I also imagine it would be convenient, once we develop bacteria to break this stuff down in an enviro…

I'm super excited for all the plastic in the world and all the devices that we use everyday to rot because we developed a bacteria that eats it and now your iPhone internals have an infection and your phone just disintegrates and the steering wheel falls off your car

This is now one of my favorite comments.

Re: Why Isn't Landfill Mining More Popular?

#50

There's probably millions of tons of unused copper wire formerly used for telephone land lines nailed to poles unused. I wonder when we're going to start taking that down instead of despoiling natural wonders like the proposed Pebble Mine in Alaska https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble_Mine

Even the power poles can be recycled: https://illumination.duke-energy.com/articles/how-duke-energ....

and some can be left with perhaps a top platform added as nest sites.

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