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Re: Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel and US govt has begun

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Post by phkahler »

tyingq wrote: post #128
Footnote7341 wrote: post #125

It will be interesting to see what the government can do here. Can they use their powers to get their hands on the most data? im still skeptical because new techniques are going to give an order of magnitude efficiency boost to transformer models, so 'just waiting' seems like the best approach for now. I dont think they will be able to just skip to the finish line by having the most money.

If not "the most" data, they may have the most access to data that's exclusively available to them.

That seems like a good reason for them to do this. I wonder how much non-public stuff they have, or it's just meant to incorporate a specific kind of information.

Re: Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel and US govt has begun

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

munksbeer wrote: post #99
theropost wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ideally no one person or entity controls such a thing. But, would I rather have a Government, or a corporation control AGI? If I had to pick one of two evils, the Government would be the lesser of the two.

The opposite for me. Corporation have naked greed as their driving motivation, but that usually doesn't involve killing off all of their customers. That would be quite unprofitable. People elected to government often seem to seek power for powers sake and I have less faith that they'll not harm us.

Except governments don’t currently go do war on behalf of the citizens or for protection of the “homeland.” They go to war “overseas” on behalf of the corporations that employ citizens that vote certain ways, in order to maintain the current global structure of US political dominion.

I know because I served as an officer in one of those wars on behalf of the United States (among other things that were also not beneficial to citizens). That had absolutely nothing to do with protecting US citizens directly.

It was chiefly about maintaining petro-dollar power and reinforcing the financial-corporate-govt collusion that maintains the current capitalist structures.

The structure of an organized body politic is not the problem.

The problem is that the body politic has been beaten into submission by those same corporate-government oligarchs to such an extent that most people just “go with the flow” because fighting it is exhausting and seemingly impossible.

Re: Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel and US govt has begun

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Post by Zpalmtree »

barnabee wrote: post #18
vouaobrasil wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I believe there is a net negative benefit. I do not think there is an enormous positive gain. Science progress in my opinion has gone too far in many respects and we should not be able to generate science so easily because we will not have the wisdom to use it. Although I love science, it's use is far too lackadaisical now -- see for example the climate crisis and efficient resource extraction of fossil fuels. T…

This reads like a combination of pessimism and nostalgia has allowed you to cherry pick the worst of now and the best of the past and conince yourself it is net bad. I see all of these negatives, and agree it is clear there is much that is bad in the world (there always has been) and much to be improved (ditto), including new problems created by science, technology, and human greed & selfishness. But I also see many…

The positive effects are also the results of capitalism

Re: Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel and US govt has begun

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Post by dumbfoundded »

munksbeer wrote: post #99
theropost wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ideally no one person or entity controls such a thing. But, would I rather have a Government, or a corporation control AGI? If I had to pick one of two evils, the Government would be the lesser of the two.

The opposite for me. Corporation have naked greed as their driving motivation, but that usually doesn't involve killing off all of their customers. That would be quite unprofitable. People elected to government often seem to seek power for powers sake and I have less faith that they'll not harm us.

The difference between a government and a corporation is the ability to use violence. A government is just a corporation with a monopoly on violence (police, military, jails...). The structure of how people are organized is more significant. Are we talking about a dictatorship or a functioning democracy? Are we discussing a non-profit or a publicly listed company?

Re: Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel and US govt has begun

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Post by Jensson »

mnky9800n wrote: post #115
the_monocle wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uhm the east indian company has an estimated death toll in the dozens of million people? [1] [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_major_famines_in... The company was only nationalised in 1858 and until then effectively colonised india until then

Dozens of millions of dead people is chump change to any empire.

USA hasn't killed more than dozens of millions. If that is chump change then it makes USA looks pretty good for an empire.

Re: Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel and US govt has begun

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Post by darklycan51 »

Ah yeah, this sounds like such a great thing, state of the art unreleased tech + 1 trillion parameters based by data accessed by the patriot act.

Such a wholesome thing. I don't want to hear 2 years from now how China is evil for using "AI" when the government is attempting to weaponize AI, of course other governments will start doing it as well.

Re: Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel and US govt has begun

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Post by Jensson »

nanis wrote: post #114
the_monocle wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uhm the east indian company has an estimated death toll in the dozens of million people? [1] [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_major_famines_in... The company was only nationalised in 1858 and until then effectively colonised india until then

> [The Queen] granted her charter to their corporation named Governor and Company of Merchants of London trading into the East Indies.[15] For a period of fifteen years, the charter awarded the company a monopoly[26] on English trade with all countries east of the Cape of Good Hope and west of the Straits of Magellan.[27] Any traders there without a licence from the company were liable to forfeiture of their ships an…

The government didn't tell them to kill or enslave people, they did that on their own since that was more profitable than not doing it. The government then stepped in and forced them to stop killing and enslaving, which made the world a better place, today we don't have many companies that kill or enslave thanks to governments.

Re: Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel and US govt has begun

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Post by _ugfj »

sixQuarks wrote: post #59
theropost wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ideally no one person or entity controls such a thing. But, would I rather have a Government, or a corporation control AGI? If I had to pick one of two evils, the Government would be the lesser of the two.

Has a corporation ever tried to commit genocide?

How close do they need to be? China Petrochemical Corporation (Sinopec Group) has, for all intents and purposes, financed the genocide in Darfur. See for example https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2006/03/statement-on-... on this.

Re: Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel and US govt has begun

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Post by nyc_data_geek1 »

dumbfoundded wrote: post #134
munksbeer wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The opposite for me. Corporation have naked greed as their driving motivation, but that usually doesn't involve killing off all of their customers. That would be quite unprofitable. People elected to government often seem to seek power for powers sake and I have less faith that they'll not harm us.

The difference between a government and a corporation is the ability to use violence. A government is just a corporation with a monopoly on violence (police, military, jails...). The structure of how people are organized is more significant. Are we talking about a dictatorship or a functioning democracy? Are we discussing a non-profit or a publicly listed company?

Corporations have a profit motive, governments theoretically may not. Also, read about the history of the East India Company. In no way do corporations abstain from using violence, historically, and at times they have held a du jour monopoly on the use of it.
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