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Re: Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel and US govt has begun

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Except that it's a big open question how to control an AGI. So the choice may not be between which entity controls it, but whether it is created by an entity that is able to control it at all.

Governments are reasonably good at controlling humans.

Yes, Governments have a monopoly on violence.

Re: Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel and US govt has begun

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I'm sure the government's mission is also to develop an AGI that benefits us all.

Agree, it would be much better to have Sam Altman develop it in the interest of private parties. Pure capitalism is best system of governance.

Poe's law

Re: Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel and US govt has begun

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Isn't GPT-4 already over 1T parameters? And GPT-5 should be even "an order of magnitude" bigger than GPT-4...

Was thinking the same, so 1T might bring you to the league of GPT-4. Actually in the best case, since it seems that meta, google, openai and so on have the most talent. Anyway, to bring it to the next level, how big should it be? Maybe 10T? 100T?

> Maybe 10T? 100T?

I don't think we have enough training data to train models so big in a way to efficiently use all the params. We would need to generate training data, but then I don't know how effective it would be.

Re: Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel and US govt has begun

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I'm sure the government's mission is also to develop an AGI that benefits us all.

Ideally no one person or entity controls such a thing. But, would I rather have a Government, or a corporation control AGI? If I had to pick one of two evils, the Government would be the lesser of the two.

Governments have killed more people than any other institution. Corporations have largely made our lives better.

Re: Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel and US govt has begun

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Has a corporation ever tried to commit genocide?

Yes? United Fruit Company now known as Chiquita.

Their practices have not changed much. For example they are using death squads against farmers.

Re: Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel and US govt has begun

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I'm sure the government's mission is also to develop an AGI that benefits us all.

This is a particular interesting part of American culture: The sentiment is that it is problematic when the government develops these technologies, but it is completely OK to let private entities develop them.

Re: Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel and US govt has begun

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The solution won't be just "bigger". A model with a trillion parameters will be more expensive to train and to run, but is unlikely to be better. Think of the early days of flight, you had biplanes; then you had triplanes. You could have followed that farther, and added more wings - but it wouldn't have improved things. Improving AI will involve architectural changes. No human requires the amount of training data we…

While I agree with you that advances will come from being able to train with less data using as yet undevised techniques, I think you are jumping to a conclusion with this particular work.

First, yes, bigger appears to be better so far. We haven't yet found the plateau. No, bigger won't solve the well known problems, but it's absolutely clear that each time we build a bigger model it is qualitatively better.

Second, it's not clear that this work is trying to build AGI, which I assume you are referring to when you say "the solution." Of all the use case for language models, building one off all the worlds scientific data like they are doing in this project is probably the most exciting to me. If all it can do is dig up relevant work for a given topic in the entire body of scientific literature, it will be revolutionary for science.

Re: Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel and US govt has begun

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I'm sure the government's mission is also to develop an AGI that benefits us all.

This is a particular interesting part of American culture: The sentiment is that it is problematic when the government develops these technologies, but it is completely OK to let private entities develop them.

Agreed it is a weird contradiction, though personally I'm not okay with private entities developing these tools/weapons either.

Re: Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel and US govt has begun

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I'm sure the government's mission is also to develop an AGI that benefits us all.

Ideally no one person or entity controls such a thing. But, would I rather have a Government, or a corporation control AGI? If I had to pick one of two evils, the Government would be the lesser of the two.

The opposite for me. Corporation have naked greed as their driving motivation, but that usually doesn't involve killing off all of their customers. That would be quite unprofitable.

People elected to government often seem to seek power for powers sake and I have less faith that they'll not harm us.

Re: Training for one trillion parameter model backed by Intel and US govt has begun

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ideally no one person or entity controls such a thing. But, would I rather have a Government, or a corporation control AGI? If I had to pick one of two evils, the Government would be the lesser of the two.

Governments have killed more people than any other institution. Corporations have largely made our lives better.

Facebook alone has reeked havoc on at least a few societies.

Corporations also enable government actions by developing the tech and tools/weapons needed.

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