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Re: Community Contribution at GitLab

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Post by zaps »

“Initially derided as a GitHub clone…” I mean, let’s not kid ourselves, it still is. But so is Gogs/Gitea/Forgejo, Bitbucket, etc. I appreciate that there are only so many ways you can do a web-based software forge, but most of the design cues and UX established by GitHub have been adopted by the other products in this space.

I’m not arguing whether this is a good or a bad thing—familiarity leads to productivity, of course—but in my opinion GitLab really does derive a lot of its success in being a “GitHub clone”.

Re: Community Contribution at GitLab

#22

Post by pyrodactyl »

scopecrestoutls wrote: post #3

Heres another link on this same topic, their commitment to “transparency by default” https://handbook.gitlab.com/handbook/security/transparency-b... Honestly it’s really admirable and I have nothing bad to say about them.

There are multiple issues with GitLab as a company. They pay their staff based on location and not the output of their work which is in direct contradiction of their values of "Results" and "Diversity, Inclusivity and Belonging".

And how the location factors are decided is not shared with the staff, just vague hand waving of industry averages. This again is again in contradiction with their "transparency" value.

I can point out a lot more things. They might be transparent, but are not above exploiting folks from weaker economies.

Re: Community Contribution at GitLab

#23

Post by Nick_vh »

GitLab team member here (https://gitlab.com/nick_vh)

It's amazing to see how all our resources have been put together to create such an exhaustive reflection of our culture & values. Thank you for doing that GarethX.

GitLab's dual flywheel strategy [0] reinforces our open source growth strategy [1]

For those interested, you can learn about GitLab's stewardship promises in our handbook [2] and inspect the Git history for changes transparently (right corner - view page source - GitLab repository view - History)

[0] https://handbook.gitlab.com/handbook/company/strategy/#dual-...

[1] https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/engineering/open-source/gr...

[2] https://handbook.gitlab.com/handbook/company/stewardship/#pr...

Re: Community Contribution at GitLab

#24

Post by Already__Taken »

zaps wrote: post #21

“Initially derided as a GitHub clone…” I mean, let’s not kid ourselves, it still is. But so is Gogs/Gitea/Forgejo, Bitbucket, etc. I appreciate that there are only so many ways you can do a web-based software forge, but most of the design cues and UX established by GitHub have been adopted by the other products in this space. I’m not arguing whether this is a good or a bad thing—familiarity leads to productivity, of…

in a lot of areas gitlab is better or has more features than GitHub. clone very much under sells gitlab. integrated CI like 5 years before GitHub actions and the issue and repo management is still far superior IMO

Re: Community Contribution at GitLab

#25

Post by intelVISA »

Nick_vh wrote: post #23

GitLab team member here ( https://gitlab.com/nick_vh ) It's amazing to see how all our resources have been put together to create such an exhaustive reflection of our culture & values. Thank you for doing that GarethX. GitLab's dual flywheel strategy [0] reinforces our open source growth strategy [1] For those interested, you can learn about GitLab's stewardship promises in our handbook [2] and inspect the Git histor…

Does GitLab still endorse abusive employment practices like limiting salary by geographic region?

No horse in the non-globally-competitive race, just amusingly regressive to see.

Re: Community Contribution at GitLab

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Post by wutwutwat »

Reads like a paid promotion if you ask me, and my god is the background of that website, as well as the whole dot matrix aesthetic not sickening. My eyes struggled to focus on the text without it becoming a blurred mess that appeared to be in constant motion.

Re: Community Contribution at GitLab

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Post by GarethX »

wutwutwat wrote: post #26

Reads like a paid promotion if you ask me, and my god is the background of that website, as well as the whole dot matrix aesthetic not sickening. My eyes struggled to focus on the text without it becoming a blurred mess that appeared to be in constant motion.

I can confirm that it's not a paid promotion. Just my reflections on what I see as being exemplary community work.

Sorry to hear you found reading the article difficult. It's an aesthetic choice I've received only positive comments about before this, but I'll look into providing some option to disable it - perhaps I could hook into the prefers-reduced-motion option or similar.

Re: Community Contribution at GitLab

#28

Post by pyrodactyl »

Nick_vh wrote: post #23

GitLab team member here ( https://gitlab.com/nick_vh ) It's amazing to see how all our resources have been put together to create such an exhaustive reflection of our culture & values. Thank you for doing that GarethX. GitLab's dual flywheel strategy [0] reinforces our open source growth strategy [1] For those interested, you can learn about GitLab's stewardship promises in our handbook [2] and inspect the Git histor…

Do you think location based pay aligns with Gitlab's values?

Re: Community Contribution at GitLab

#30

Post by xyzzy_plugh »

pyrodactyl wrote: post #28
Nick_vh wrote: post #23

GitLab team member here ( https://gitlab.com/nick_vh ) It's amazing to see how all our resources have been put together to create such an exhaustive reflection of our culture & values. Thank you for doing that GarethX. GitLab's dual flywheel strategy [0] reinforces our open source growth strategy [1] For those interested, you can learn about GitLab's stewardship promises in our handbook [2] and inspect the Git histor…

Do you think location based pay aligns with Gitlab's values?

I have no horse in the race, but I think the answer is "no" but sometimes it makes sense to diverge from a value if the alternative represents an existential threat. I do not believe GitLab is profitable enough to do this satisfactorily.

If a business can't sustainably operate by strictly adhering to their values, is the business sustainable or are the values broken? Is it all a fool's errand? I don't know. It doesn't seem worth closing the book on GitLab for.

(I don't know the details but my impression is that GitLab feels very pressured to minmax their monetization strategy to be able to compete with GitHub. I don't see a viable alternative for them. If they're super profitable and I'm talking out of my ass, let me know.)

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