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Re: Flutter seems to be having bad times internally

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Post by convexhulled »

59nadir wrote: post #15
lukax wrote: post #4

It seems like this is a response to Ian "Hixie" Hickson (co-founder and tech lead of Flutter) leaving Google (but not leaving Flutter). https://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1700627532&count=1

If it is a response to that, you would have to assume that Hickson left because he pushed for or against something relating to working on Flutter. If Google wanted to place him elsewhere, for example, and he left Google because he figured he can bankroll his own work on Flutter and look elsewhere, that'd be in line with this line: > I hope that Google finally realizes what treasured assets they have here before it's…

Your comment couldn't be more off-base.

Hickson left Google for his own personal reasons. Not because Flutter is losing resources or that he was asked/assigned to work on something else.

Google has not lowered the amount resources dedicated to Flutter.

Ian started the Flutter project and it's hard to point to someone more important to Flutter's success than him.

He continues to work on Flutter as does the entire Flutter and Dart teams.

How do I know this? I've been working on Flutter (off and on, currently on) for seven years and was present when Ian announced his departure from Google (not Flutter).

Re: Flutter seems to be having bad times internally

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Post by tarruda »

vsnf wrote: post #11
knifie_spoonie wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've gone all-in on Flutter for mobile development, and have quite a lot invested in it. I'm sure quite a lot of other people have. If Google sunsets it, I'll be so pissed off. I'll never trust anything else coming from them again.

You and me both. I've spent the past few years rewriting a UWP app into Flutter, and really enjoy the experience. I desperately, desperately don't want to have to go back to web development. I hate the DOM so much.

I doubt you will have to: https://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1700627532&count=1

Re: Flutter seems to be having bad times internally

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Post by knifie_spoonie »

tarruda wrote: post #20
knifie_spoonie wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've gone all-in on Flutter for mobile development, and have quite a lot invested in it. I'm sure quite a lot of other people have. If Google sunsets it, I'll be so pissed off. I'll never trust anything else coming from them again.

Is Flutter free software? If so, I'm sure other companies will continue to fund it's development, especially those that have products developed in it.

My concern would be around the baked in Google services (e.g. maps, firebase, etc) no longer being supported.

Re: Flutter seems to be having bad times internally

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Post by tarruda »

knifie_spoonie wrote: post #23
tarruda wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is Flutter free software? If so, I'm sure other companies will continue to fund it's development, especially those that have products developed in it.

My concern would be around the baked in Google services (e.g. maps, firebase, etc) no longer being supported.

I don't think Google can block a framework from accessing it's services through official APIs

Re: Flutter seems to be having bad times internally

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Post by troupo »

tarruda wrote: post #20
knifie_spoonie wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've gone all-in on Flutter for mobile development, and have quite a lot invested in it. I'm sure quite a lot of other people have. If Google sunsets it, I'll be so pissed off. I'll never trust anything else coming from them again.

Is Flutter free software? If so, I'm sure other companies will continue to fund it's development, especially those that have products developed in it.

Other companies rarely have the resources to spend billions on a dedicated team building a free cross-platform toolkit.

If Google abandons Flutter, companies will spend millions switching to, say, React Native

Re: Flutter seems to be having bad times internally

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Post by rapsey »

wg0 wrote: post #18

Flutter has three major problems: - Performance: Even on Desktop, animations have jank. Last I compiled samples on Mac, the problem was visibly there. - UX: Text editing immediately feels alien. If Mac for example, you have a text field in a native app and on the side you have a flutter app with a text field, you can tell the difference between the "feel" when you type in each. This isn't necessarily limited to text…

Flutter is mainly a mobile framework. Electron owns the desktop, anyone using flutter on the web is crazy. While you're points are valid, they are kind of irrelevant.

Re: Flutter seems to be having bad times internally

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Post by endtime »

tarruda wrote: post #24

I like the idea of a single framework for all platforms and have always wanted to get into Flutter. Thee main barrier for me has been the Dart language, I wish it was written in a more popular language like Go.

I wrote Dart full time for a couple years at Google (working on Assistant). I really enjoyed it! It's a really nice language, and pretty easy to pick up.

Re: Flutter seems to be having bad times internally

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Post by wg0 »

rapsey wrote: post #28
wg0 wrote: post #18

Flutter has three major problems: - Performance: Even on Desktop, animations have jank. Last I compiled samples on Mac, the problem was visibly there. - UX: Text editing immediately feels alien. If Mac for example, you have a text field in a native app and on the side you have a flutter app with a text field, you can tell the difference between the "feel" when you type in each. This isn't necessarily limited to text…

Flutter is mainly a mobile framework. Electron owns the desktop, anyone using flutter on the web is crazy. While you're points are valid, they are kind of irrelevant.

The marketing literature begs to differ.

The Google's own Family Link app even on web[0] is also a Flutter app.

[0]. https://familylink.google.com

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