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Re: Developer account removed by Apple

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Post by jacquesm »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #358
jacquesm wrote: post #314

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We're perilously close to an internet that is entirely siloed, so instead of AOL we end up with two or maybe three more or less incompatible versions of AOL, and with far more control over the lives of their customers than AOL ever had. There is some chance that it will end up with only two of these players depending on who reaches the point where they have enough free cash that they can further consolidate, assuming…

Unless those companies are stopping someone from visiting different domains, I would not describe that as the internet being siloed. The most popular destinations on the internet may be “siloed”, or most business will occur in the silos, but the internet itself is as accessible as it ever was.

This makes no sense. These companies dictate what you see, when you see it and how you see it. They are just not throwing their weight around as much as they could yet. But if Google decides that your website no longer exists it effectively doesn't exist any more.

Re: Developer account removed by Apple

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Post by tristan957 »

AlchemistCamp wrote: post #348
wernercd wrote: post #341

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So how do you get an app onto the iphone if they don't have a monopoly on apps on their phones? What other store can I use to get apps on a iPhone?

You don't seem to understand what a monopoly is. You can't arbitrarily put an app onto their hardware because they built it so you couldn't. However, not all hardware is created by them. You're free to purchase a different phone, and you can even make the number of app stores supported a primary buying decision.

It isn't Apple's hardware. It's your hardware. You bought it.

Re: Developer account removed by Apple

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

scarface_74 wrote: post #224
dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #201

It's heartwarming to see finally someone take Apple to court on this! So many small developers have no chance to do that.

Yes it’s so heartwarming to see an app maker that charges 3.99 a week hoping people will forget about the subscription suing to keep his money.

Isn't it most trivial apps do these days? I wanted to install something recently and was appalled how omnipresent this pattern is. What Apple should do was to implement an obligatory attribute "needs subscription in order to operate" just like it has "Contains in-app purchases" currently. I could then avoid all this trash like a plague.

Re: Developer account removed by Apple

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Post by mike_d »

ponector wrote: post #334
nmilo wrote: post #327

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If a border agent called me suspicious based only on my passport then yeah that is racism

Then US government is one of the most racist government on the planet. And people support it or don't care. By applying tons of restrictions to the people based on their passport or place of birth. For example getting a green card for Indian people. Or visiting US. What is frictionless for people with Swiss passport is almost impossible for people with "hostile" passport. Getting a US travel visa is not trivial.

> Then US government is one of the most racist government on the planet. ... For example getting a green card for Indian people.

As an American it is basically impossible for me to immigrate to India and establish citizenship without my parents being Indian and knowing an official language fluently or by "investing" approximately $2 million USD and hiring at least 20 people to work for me.

Re: Developer account removed by Apple

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Post by lotsofpulp »

jacquesm wrote: post #361
lotsofpulp wrote: post #358

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Unless those companies are stopping someone from visiting different domains, I would not describe that as the internet being siloed. The most popular destinations on the internet may be “siloed”, or most business will occur in the silos, but the internet itself is as accessible as it ever was.

This makes no sense. These companies dictate what you see, when you see it and how you see it. They are just not throwing their weight around as much as they could yet. But if Google decides that your website no longer exists it effectively doesn't exist any more.

I recall visiting websites before Google was even made. In any case, the internet does not only exist within Google’s search index.

For example, I can post a URL in this comment, and you would be able to visit it, even if Google did not keep it in its search index.

The only question is how much work do people want to do to spread knowledge of theirs or others’ website, and how much work do people want to do to find them.

And it is much easier these days than even pre Google, since there are very capable alternatives to Google (and ubiquitous broadband).

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Post by Guvante »

quitit wrote: post #220
waprin wrote: post #212

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If you’re required to install software on your phone for work then your employer should be legally required to pay for your phone. And then if you want your own phone you pay for it yourself. And if your employers IT team lets corporate devices get malware that’s on them. This is a weird edge case to get hung up on. You’re making a very simple issue way more complicated than it needs to be. Having Apple spin out EU s…

I'm making a pretty valid point(note Android's outsized malware share) and we'll get to see it play out next year in the EU. It's interesting to me that your core argument is about making a choice whether or not to embrace side-loading and 3rd party app stores. However aren't users making this choice when they buy the phone to begin with. Side loading and 3rd party app stores aren't a secret, many Android manufacture…

I like how you call users dumb for choosing Apple and clever for wanting to sideload.

Or how else do you claim there is two sides here?

Pretending that Apple is protecting consumers is silly, they have repeatedly said internally the lock is for revenue alone. No claim of security protection has lasted past "wouldn't sideloaded apps be sandboxed the same as App Store apps and thus have the same security overall"? (Apple failed to counter that point)

Re: Developer account removed by Apple

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Post by TylerE »

Keyframe wrote: post #133
judge2020 wrote: post #98

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One of the main draws of iOS is its resistance to malware, adware, and outright scam apps. Requiring third party app stores disproportionately harms those that purchased the device specifically for these purposes (such as people at higher risks of being targeted by nation state actors). And this isn’t something that can be addressed with a new uber-secure product just for these people, because the EU will deem it a g…

One of the main draws of iOS is its resistance to malware, adware, and outright scam apps. Have we visited the same appstore? Just few days ago I tried to find a puzzle game for my kid and myself to play together. A whole bunch of them, from top results, resulted in games which had shady dark UI initial screens trying to get to $14.99 or similar monthly subscriptions. Eventually I caved in to arcade sub because I cou…

Looked at android recently? It’s far far worse. Also “has ads” isn’t a synonym for “malware”.

Re: Developer account removed by Apple

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Post by crazygringo »

jacquesm wrote: post #359
baxtr wrote: post #352

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It’s all about trade-offs. Sure, they can do that. But what’s the likelihood of it happening really? Do we have good numbers? If you want to be creative and earn money apps are a decent way. Apple/Google take care of a lot of things and you get their reach. Is it without risks? No, nothing is in life. Is the risk high? Probably not for 99.99% of developers.

It's not about the likelihood of it happening, it is about the principle of it being possible and it happening to anybody in the first place. On the plus side: those complaining were actually supporting the system until it bit them so that's about a powerful a wake-up call as there probably will be. Unfortunately it doesn't generalize well because everybody else thinks: 'oh, that fortunately wasn't me that got bitten…

> It's not about the likelihood of it happening, it is about the principle of it being possible

But honestly, that's just life. Every business takes risks. You take a risk every time you step out the door.

It's silly to say every app developer is enabling the situation. I mean, you might as well say anybody who allows payment in USD is enabling American foreign policy. But it's not helpful.

The risk/reward ratio for genuinely useful, non-scammy apps is quite excellent.

In real life, nothing is about whether something is a binary possible yes/no, because mistakes always happen in everything. We're only human. Everything is just a question of probabilities -- risk and reward.

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Post by jacquesm »

crazygringo wrote: post #368
jacquesm wrote: post #359

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It's not about the likelihood of it happening, it is about the principle of it being possible and it happening to anybody in the first place. On the plus side: those complaining were actually supporting the system until it bit them so that's about a powerful a wake-up call as there probably will be. Unfortunately it doesn't generalize well because everybody else thinks: 'oh, that fortunately wasn't me that got bitten…

> It's not about the likelihood of it happening, it is about the principle of it being possible But honestly, that's just life. Every business takes risks. You take a risk every time you step out the door. It's silly to say every app developer is enabling the situation. I mean, you might as well say anybody who allows payment in USD is enabling American foreign policy. But it's not helpful. The risk/reward ratio for…

The internet was specifically designed to limit the number of such gatekeeping options and commercial entities were never supposed to be able to maneuver themselves into a position like that.

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Post by AlchemistCamp »

tristan957 wrote: post #362
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #348

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You don't seem to understand what a monopoly is. You can't arbitrarily put an app onto their hardware because they built it so you couldn't. However, not all hardware is created by them. You're free to purchase a different phone, and you can even make the number of app stores supported a primary buying decision.

It isn't Apple's hardware. It's your hardware. You bought it.

This kind of reasoning is perfect if you want to halt all future innovation.

Why would someone advance the state of the art in any device if the immediate result is attacks for the new device being a "monopoly" within the scope of the new device or improvements?

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