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Post by 4ggr0 »

WendyTheWillow wrote: post #197
4ggr0 wrote: post #189

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That's just like, your opinion, man. There are podcasts for almost every topic where experts are present. Journalists, Scientists, Activists, Researchers etc. can be heard in podcasts, I don't really see why it's generally a mistake to listen to a podcast to learn important information. During the pandemic my partner was attending university from home and listening to their professors via MS Teams, these classes were…

I think you know that isn’t a podcast in the sense that we’re discussing. And depending on the class and the institution, I may still trust ChatGPT more than what gets taught.

Of course the part about university classes is different, but you seem to ignore everything else I've said.

There are tons of podcasts involving experts talking about their field of expertise, how can it be a mistake to listen to such podcasts to gather information?

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Post by quickthrower2 »

3cats-in-a-coat wrote: post #118
I_am_tiberius wrote: post #112

Let me guess, your voices are being used for training purposes. I miss discussions about what a privacy nightmare it is that all the information you share is forever owned by openai and can be used for training purposes - BY DEFAULT!

Imagine being pissed that someone is hearing and learning from your voice as you’re having conversation together. The concepts of copyright and privacy we have come from a different world and they already made little sense in the 90s with the rise of the web and search. We think of them as absolute but they are a human invention. Arbitrary and specific to the zeitgeist it was born in. We need boundaries for sure. But…

Someone? This isn’t someone!

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Post by taway1237 »

WendyTheWillow wrote: post #183
denlekke wrote: post #181

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they definitely do but i think in podcasts i generally have a better ability to evaluate how much trust i should place in what i'm hearing. i know if i'm listening to a professional chef podcast, i can probably trust they will generally be right talking about how they like to bake a turkey. if i'm listening to the hot wings guy interview zac efron i know to be less blindly trusting of their info on astrophysics. with…

I guarantee ChatGPT won't lie to you about how to bake a turkey. The paranoia around hallucination is wildly overblown, especially given the low stakes of this context.

I don't know how people use ChatGPT at all. It confidently hallucinated answers to 4 out of 5 my latest "real" questions, with code examples and everything. Fortunately with code I could easily verify the provided solutions are worthless. Granted I was asking questions about my niche that were hard enough I couldn't easily Google them or find a solution myself, but I think that's the bar for being useful. The only thing it got right was finding a marketing slogan.

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Post by WendyTheWillow »

4ggr0 wrote: post #211
WendyTheWillow wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you know that isn’t a podcast in the sense that we’re discussing. And depending on the class and the institution, I may still trust ChatGPT more than what gets taught.

Of course the part about university classes is different, but you seem to ignore everything else I've said. There are tons of podcasts involving experts talking about their field of expertise, how can it be a mistake to listen to such podcasts to gather information?

It’s a mistake because what drives podcasts are their popularity, not their accuracy.

There is no “sort by accuracy” button in any podcasting app, nor are they peer reviewed.

Furthermore, podcasts are not a review of the body of knowledge on a subject; they’re often a complete layperson interviewing a single member of a given field, at best. Almost never do the views of any individual actually represent any field as a whole.

So once we’ve thrown out the concept of accuracy and completeness, ChatGPT fares exceedingly well in comparison. You’d do much worse than ChatGPT for idle conversation level accuracy.

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Post by [deleted] »

ddxv wrote: post #171
vore wrote: post #142

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How can you tell if ChatGPT is lying to you and what you're learning is total hogwash?

I've been developing understanding from using it for coding. I guess a lot of us are developing this understanding. It is very trustable about high level things many people know. As the knowledge is more specific or esoteric the less trustworthy it is. If my mom asks it questions about my work industry, they are vague and high level enough that chatgpt is very accurate in it's answers. If I ask it probing questions I…

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Post by tkgally »

superultra wrote: post #114

I’ve been using this for several weeks now and it’s replaced podcasts for me. I’ll just pick a topic and then ask for a summary and then ask clarifying questions. Other times I’ll just goof off. In one chat, I’m rewriting the Star Wars sequels movie by movie with ChatGPT. I’ve realized that I’m built to learn socially, and ChatGPT never tires of my questions or gets annoyed. One interesting story. My 15 year old kid…

> It is very trustable about high level things many people know. As the knowledge is more specific or esoteric the less trustworthy it is.

That's my experience, too.

In addition to sticking to general topics, another fun way to talk with it is to discuss counterfactuals. "Hey, GPT! What do you think the world would be like now if Germany had won World War II [smartphones had not been invented, half of all people were born blind, etc.]." Those questions don't have right or wrong answers, and the answers it does come up with can be thought-provoking.

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Post by WendyTheWillow »

denlekke wrote: post #209
WendyTheWillow wrote: post #183

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I guarantee ChatGPT won't lie to you about how to bake a turkey. The paranoia around hallucination is wildly overblown, especially given the low stakes of this context.

i appreciate your confidence and would love to know how far you would go with the guarantee ! it makes me realize that there is at least one avenue for some level of trust about gpt accuracy and that's my general awareness of how much written content on the topic it probably had access to during training. i think maybe your earlier comment was about the average trustworthiness of all podcasts vs the same for all gpt…

There are zero podcasts from “the best person in the world”, the very concept is absurd.

No one person is particularly worth listening to individually, and as a podcast??? Good lord no.

LLMs beat podcasts when it comes to, “random exploration of an unfamiliar topic”, every single time.

The real issue here is that you trust podcasts so completely, by the way, not that ChatGPT is some oracle of knowledge. More generally, a skill all people need to develop is the ability to explore an idea without accepting whatever you first find. If you’re spending an afternoon talking with ChatGPT about a topic, you should be able to A) use your existing knowledge to give a rough first-pass validation of the information you’re getting, which will catch most hallucinations out of the gate, as they’re rarely subtle, and B) take what you learn with a hefty grain of salt, as if you’re hearing it from a stranger in a bar.

This is an important skill, and absolutely applies to both podcasts and LLMs. Honestly why such profound deference to podcasts in particular?

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Post by RugnirViking »

WendyTheWillow wrote: post #144
w-ll wrote: post #117

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Me, as a meat popsicle, can you explain to me how the phrase “kind of” is not common? I feel like “kind of” is kind of a common adjective phrase, right?

You can entirely remove it from your speech and lose very little.

I disagree. These linguistic innovations (including "like") serve to soften the message. It signals to the listener that the information is not based on considered truth, but on impressions, vibes. This is genuinely how its used, to signal the difference between a personal opinion and something somebody is convinced of. It's kind of like adding "but I could be wrong" to the end of everything
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