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#81

Can someone in the know explain how Bard could be as bad as it is, considering Google has been investing in AI for as long as they have? I thought they were earlier than most to begin serious work on AI? How could Bard suck this bad?

Most likely the difference in training datasets. There is a reason why authors have sued OpenAI but not Google.

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#82

Not bad. It’s limited in what it can do but I would probably check Bard if ChatGPT went down. I have the “AI search” extension enabled in Google search as well and it’s pretty unreliable. Seems like half of my coding questions it hallucinated some function that doesn’t exist. But if Google release Bard in its current state a year ago most people probably would be using it now, even if it’s inferior.

> Seems like half of my coding questions it hallucinated some function that doesn’t exist.

I've actually seen AI search and ChatGPT 4 hallucinate identical fake command line parameters to a program.

It was ... rather sus.

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#83

For creative writing, I prefer Bard over the other ones for a few reasons. First off, it’s free with any Gmail account and secondly it has draft (3) that I can compare. It may not seem like much but I have a creative workflow and like it much more than Bing AI. I’ve been trying to use GitHub copilot and it is a lot less reasonable to use for technical work. But throwing an idea at Bard is kind of fun once you get in…

Have you tried using Claude for creative writing? I find its creativity to be quite far ahead of GPT-4. You can try it for free on claude.ai, although it needs a phone number and isn't available in all countries (but that can be solved with a VPN, even if the phone number is from a different country).

I’m trying it out now based on your suggestion. It might be limited in allowed messages, which I think is 10 per 8 hours for free tier and twice for pro tier. It seems comparable to bard without the draft feature

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Just checked out Bard for the first time because of the OpenAI outage. It sucks. It feels worse than GPT-3.5 with worse reasoning and instruction following. This is embarrassing for Google. EDIT: Just to be clear: I want it to be good. It's unfortunate that it's underwhelming.

It is not terrible for finding information about, say, Python tools for working with time series. I use it when Bing Chat (Copilot?) fails.

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I'm impressed. I asked it "How much is a flight from San Francisco to the rapid & blitz tournament over Christmas?" and it figured out which tournament I was talking about and showed me ticket prices. https://g.co/bard/share/7966410c42af ChatGPT also figured it out, but Bard is much better at displaying information: https://chat.openai.com/share/ba5d5acc-7b40-46e1-ada5-74b4a6...

Ugh, I tried Bard too, but wasn't as impressed. Granted, I had a specific request with a stop-over for a couple of days, but it wasn't able to complete it, only the first leg. A follow-up question then prompted it a look-up a round trip flight for the 2nd leg.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure you are using the latest version of ChatGPT ? It could have been an outdated version (3.5) from one year ago (based on the green logo).

Yes, I'm using 3.5, but that's the free version, and I don't need AI often enough to want to pay $20 for version 4.

3.5 is a weak model that is only good at informal conversation. When people talk about using ChatGPT and its potential (programming, vision, etc.) they talk about GPT-4. If you don't want to pay, you should use Bing Chat for your comparison. 3.5 would not be worth $20 a month but GPT-4 is.

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#89

Can someone in the know explain how Bard could be as bad as it is, considering Google has been investing in AI for as long as they have? I thought they were earlier than most to begin serious work on AI? How could Bard suck this bad?

I’m not surprised by my experiences many years ago when trying to use google to support my small app that hit the front page of HN. Not only did they take my app offline giving me no recourse for help thus destroying my momentum , it was because I had “upgraded” my server hosting. Apart from this being funny and ironic what was worse is when I mentioned it a year or so later google engineers came out of the wood work on Hn to accuse me fibbing and making a big deal out of something that they clearly had no relation to. I think it was a because they were scared they might be linked to the incident and it would give them a poor performance metric. It was super creepy but made me understand that the organisation is just vast with little concern for the places where innovation comes from and full of selfish gatekeepers worried about looking bad. I have nothing against the company and the good it’s done for me and the world I still rather like it, but I understand that like all good companies without careful attention to respecting the little guy and allowing care and checks through its structure to root out social issues it’s destined to always lag behind. Just my 2 cents and if anything reminds me of what a terribly difficult task I would have if I was a ceo of my own company ( if it were large ).

I think most large companies have the same problem and the only solution is to literally test different teams with how they handle specific case studies. It would require alot of careful planning and studying but it would be the only way to resolve such problems. An alternative would be to have an anonymous feedback that is constantly pushed onto customers and constantly checked and mined for insight. if was a major company I would hire myself or someone who had my experiences to do this. But I’m already retired/funemployed lol. Sorry for the rant.

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#90

Can someone in the know explain how Bard could be as bad as it is, considering Google has been investing in AI for as long as they have? I thought they were earlier than most to begin serious work on AI? How could Bard suck this bad?

Bard is better than ChatGPT-3.5.

They are worse than GPT-4 because nobody other than OpenAI (and their free Azure credits) have been willing to throw $100 million in training a single LLM.

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