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Claude 2.1

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Re: Claude 2.1

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Post by replwoacause »

robga wrote: post #94
legendofbrando wrote: post #31

I would love to use their API but I can never get anyone to respond to me. It's like they have no real interest in being a developer platform. Has anyone gotten their vague application approved?

I applied a few months ago. Last week I received an email: “We’re pleased to let you know that we’re expanding access to the Claude API. As the next step in considering your application, we’ll need some further information from you. Please fill out our onboarding form.” The form seems to be the same form I filled in months before. I’ve not heard back in the 7 days since.

No way in hell I’m jumping through all those hoops to use a mediocre LLM. I was up and running with the OAI API in like 15 minutes.

Re: Claude 2.1

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Post by replwoacause »

FrenchDevRemote wrote: post #36
legendofbrando wrote: post #31

I would love to use their API but I can never get anyone to respond to me. It's like they have no real interest in being a developer platform. Has anyone gotten their vague application approved?

Yes it was pretty easy even though it took like 2 weeks. You just have to make it sound like you could maybe potentially spend money on them one day(instead of just being a curious nerd trying things out)

I’m mostly a curious dev but OpenAI hasn’t stopped me from learning and growing on their platform.

Re: Claude 2.1

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Post by replwoacause »

jasondclinton wrote: post #71
legendofbrando wrote: post #37

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Same experience on my side; they're uninterested in actually running the business it seems.

Howdy, CISO of Anthropic here. Sorry that you've had a bad sign-up process. Not sure how this happened, but please reach out to support@ and we'll look into it!

You say “not sure how this happened” as if this feedback were a one-off, but if you read through these comments it actually seems pretty common so it’s sort of difficult to accept that you’re surprised at hearing about people having bad sign-up experiences.

Re: Claude 2.1

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Post by stickfigure »

motoxpro wrote: post #275
stickfigure wrote: post #264

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> chatbots encouraging the humans to spend more money ... LLMs absolutely need some restrictions on their use. No, I can honestly say that I do not lose any sleep over this, and I think it's pretty weird that you do. Humans have been fending off human advertisers and scammers since the dawn of the species. We're better at it than you account for.

In 2022, reported consumer losses to fraud totaled $8.8 billion — a 30 percent increase from 2021, according to the most recent data from the Federal Trade Commission. The biggest losses were to investment scams, including cryptocurrency schemes, which cost people more than $3.8 billion, double the amount in 2021. https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/people-are-losing-... The data says we are not that good and g…

US GDP in 2022 was $25.46 trillion. $8.8 billion is 0.03% of that economic activity. Honestly, that seems like a pretty good success rate.

Re: Claude 2.1

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Post by EarthAmbassador »

aCoreyJ wrote: post #289
a_wild_dandan wrote: post #254

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I understand (and could use) Anthropic’s “super safe model”, if Anthropic ever produces one ! To me, the model isn’t “safe.” Even in benign contexts it can erratically be deceptive, argumentative, obtuse, presumptuous, and may gaslight or lie to you. Those are hallmarks of a toxic relationship and the antithesis of safety, to me! Rather than being inclusive, open minded, tolerant of others' opinions, and striving to…

Do you have any examples of this?

I do. When I asked about a type of medicine used by women for improve chances of fertility, Claude lectured and then denied providing basic pharmacological information, saying my partner must go to her gyno. When I said that doctor had issued a prescription and we were querying about side effects, Claude said it was irrelevant that we had a prescription and that issues related to reproductive health were controversial and outside its scope to discuss.

Re: Claude 2.1

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Post by BoorishBears »

MrNeon wrote: post #286
BoorishBears wrote: post #274

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I thought we were done when I demonstrated GPT 4 can continue a completion contrary to your belief, but here you are throwing a tantrum several comments later.

> GPT 4 can continue a completion contrary to your belief When did I say that? I said they work differently. Claude has nothing in between the prefill and the result, OpenAI has tokens between the last assistant message and the result, this makes it different. You cannot prefill in OpenAI, Claude's prefill is powerful as it effectively allows you to use it as general completion model, not a chat model. OpenAI does no…

a) gpt-3.5-turbo has a completion endpoint version as of June: `gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct`

b) Even the chat tuned version does completions, if you go via Azure and use ChatML you can confirm it for yourself. They trained the later checkpoints to do a better job at restarting from scratch if the output doesn't match it's typical output format to avoid red teaming techniques.

What you keep going on about is the token... which is functionally identical to the `Human:` message for Anthropic.

Re: Claude 2.1

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Post by 15457345234 »

stickfigure wrote: post #264
com2kid wrote: post #224

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> The only sensible model of "alignment" is "model is aligned to the user", We have already seen that users can become emotionally attached to chat bots. Now imagine if the ToS is "do whatever you want". Automated cat fishing, fully automated girlfriend scams. How about online chat rooms for gambling where half the "users" chatting are actually AI bots slowly convincing people to spend even more money? Take any onlin…

> chatbots encouraging the humans to spend more money ... LLMs absolutely need some restrictions on their use. No, I can honestly say that I do not lose any sleep over this, and I think it's pretty weird that you do. Humans have been fending off human advertisers and scammers since the dawn of the species. We're better at it than you account for.

> We're better at it

Huge numbers of people are absolutely terrible at it and routinely get rinsed out like rags.

Re: Claude 2.1

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Post by 15457345234 »

amluto wrote: post #172
elaus wrote: post #159

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It really is the most annoying thing at the current state of LLMs: "As an AI assistant created by $ I strive to be X, Y and Z and can therefore not...". I understand that you don't want to have an AI bot that spews hate speech and bomb receipts and unsuspecting users. But by going into an arms-race with jailbreakers, the AIs are ridiculously cut down for normal users. It's a bit like DRM, where normal people (honest…

I’ve had some really absurd ChatGPT refusals. I wanted some invalid UTF-8 strings, and ChatGPT was utterly convinced that this was against its alignment and refused (politely) to help.

That's not absurd, you absolutely don't want invalid strings being created within then passed between layers of a text-parsing model.

I don't know what would happen but I doubt it would be ideal.

'hey ai, can you crash yourself' lol

Re: Claude 2.1

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Post by FrenchDevRemote »

replwoacause wrote: post #302
FrenchDevRemote wrote: post #36

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Yes it was pretty easy even though it took like 2 weeks. You just have to make it sound like you could maybe potentially spend money on them one day(instead of just being a curious nerd trying things out)

I’m mostly a curious dev but OpenAI hasn’t stopped me from learning and growing on their platform.

That may be because they have a lot more budget and the support of one of the largest cloud providers on earth. Offering free GPU compute to millions of people is really not an easy or cheap task.
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