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Persuasion through status rather than argument

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Re: Persuasion through status rather than argument

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Punishing people who were never victimizers and promoting people who were never victims for the sake of equity doesn't address the problems of a single parent household and the consequences it has for children, but that is proposed for the sake of Equity all the time

Greater equality is not a "punishment". It's simply a necessity for a functional, just, compassionate society. In any case, we are all beneficiaries or victims of the past. Children don't start from equal positions. "average per capita wealth of White Americans was $338,093 in 2019 but only $60,126 for Black Americans" https://www.minneapolisfed.org/article/2022/how-the-racial-w... As stated by the linked article, th…

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Re: Persuasion through status rather than argument

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And you gotta socialize your kids to keep their mouths shut too. My daughter attends a progressive school, and she’s intuited that there’s a de-facto racial hierarchy that she’s none too happy about. (She was recently invited to attend a school-sponsored weekly lunch for black girls, but once a month because she’s half white and half south Asian and I guess that’s how the math works out.) I pointed out that she needs…

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Re: Persuasion through status rather than argument

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> If more people are afraid of ostracism, that suggest ostracism has increased (even) faster than progress on racism and sexism, and that doesn't sound like it can go on forever. Ostracism is progress on racism and sexism. It's society pushing back against them. This is a very long war. Wars are ugly. If you think that racism and sexism will just go down quietly without a fight, well, that's not how it works. When th…

> Ostracism is progress on racism and sexism. It is absolutely not. Ostracism is - at best - a means towards the end, of ending racism and sexism. One of many. It may work, or it may backfire. > This is a very long war. If you can't tell the difference between the means and the goal, it's not just a long war, it's a classic forever war.

To put it more precisely, I could have said that ostracism is a sign of progress. In large part, ostracism is neither a "rational" means nor a goal: it's an emotional reaction to what the ostracizer views as unacceptable behavior. But it's still a sign that the tide is turning in society.

Re: Persuasion through status rather than argument

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> It's extremely difficult if not impossible to completely corner some market Are we forgetting how Microsoft absolutely dominated the PC market in the 90s and early 2000s? How today, there's basically two mobile operating systems that can determine much of today's mobile experience? I agree that IP laws serve to entrench monopolies (although they also have the effect of encouraging development (e.g. of expensive dru…

The point about operating systems is that these are new technologies. Free markets require time to resolve. It's natural that an inventor (especially with IP protections) has an market advantage for a period of time. It's important, that at longer time scales, the market evolves towards decentralization. It's true that there are a lot of natural centralizing forces, such as network effects. Not sure how to resolve th…

First, I don't think that "capital efficiency" is something that we absolutely need to optimise for regardless of any other concerns, and even if I would concede that, there's an argument to be made that concentrating capital in the hands of more people leads to more diverse markets that cater to more, and more different, people's needs. The thesis that a few number of people are just naturally more efficient at everything seems questionable to me.

Re: Persuasion through status rather than argument

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It was easy for me to have theoretical ideas about culture when I wasn’t trying to raise three mixed kids in that culture.

I grew up mixed just fine, we just didn’t have TikTok and smartphones.

Re: Persuasion through status rather than argument

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I certainly keep my mouth shut about certain things, lest the people whose beliefs I find vile and unconscionable (and who view mine the same way) ostracize me, or worse, my child in the community. Far better to gently feel people out before revealing my beliefs entirely.

And you gotta socialize your kids to keep their mouths shut too. My daughter attends a progressive school, and she’s intuited that there’s a de-facto racial hierarchy that she’s none too happy about. (She was recently invited to attend a school-sponsored weekly lunch for black girls, but once a month because she’s half white and half south Asian and I guess that’s how the math works out.) I pointed out that she needs…

You realize in the UK no one would bat an eye at that (see Southall _Black_ Sisters)

Re: Persuasion through status rather than argument

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And you gotta socialize your kids to keep their mouths shut too. My daughter attends a progressive school, and she’s intuited that there’s a de-facto racial hierarchy that she’s none too happy about. (She was recently invited to attend a school-sponsored weekly lunch for black girls, but once a month because she’s half white and half south Asian and I guess that’s how the math works out.) I pointed out that she needs…

You realize in the UK no one would bat an eye at that (see Southall _Black_ Sisters)

I don’t see the relation between racially segregated activities in a US school, and a UK non-profit that helps minorities and migrants facing domestic violence. (One that, looking at the Wikipedia page, seems kinda racist insofar as it focuses on domestic violence among Asians specifically, as if there isn’t plenty of domestic violence among white Britons.)

And I disagree that people in the UK wouldn’t take exception to segregating students by race and declaring half south asian people to be 1/4 of a black person for purposes of such activities: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/23/right-is-winning...

Re: Persuasion through status rather than argument

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I certainly keep my mouth shut about certain things, lest the people whose beliefs I find vile and unconscionable (and who view mine the same way) ostracize me, or worse, my child in the community. Far better to gently feel people out before revealing my beliefs entirely.

And you gotta socialize your kids to keep their mouths shut too. My daughter attends a progressive school, and she’s intuited that there’s a de-facto racial hierarchy that she’s none too happy about. (She was recently invited to attend a school-sponsored weekly lunch for black girls, but once a month because she’s half white and half south Asian and I guess that’s how the math works out.) I pointed out that she needs…

I live in an ultra-progressive big blue city suburb, spend a fair amount of time in local politics (which revolve around our schools, and particularly equity) and I don't know anyone who wouldn't say that was deeply fucked up. You worry about cancellation, but you could probably get news coverage for that decision. It is deeply not normal.

Re: Persuasion through status rather than argument

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> Turns out I grew up in the short period where all racism is bad. There was no such period. Like I said, it depends on which circles you spend time in (e.g. your family). Sounds like you were just sheltered from it.

The message is what I'm talking about. I sure as hell wasn't sheltered either, I was as far from sheltered as it gets.

There is a dissonance here you aren't seeing.

Re: Persuasion through status rather than argument

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post #227

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The point about operating systems is that these are new technologies. Free markets require time to resolve. It's natural that an inventor (especially with IP protections) has an market advantage for a period of time. It's important, that at longer time scales, the market evolves towards decentralization. It's true that there are a lot of natural centralizing forces, such as network effects. Not sure how to resolve th…

First, I don't think that "capital efficiency" is something that we absolutely need to optimise for regardless of any other concerns, and even if I would concede that, there's an argument to be made that concentrating capital in the hands of more people leads to more diverse markets that cater to more, and more different, people's needs. The thesis that a few number of people are just naturally more efficient at ever…

It's true that there's a lot of specialization required and other reasons why capital doesn't always scale. That's basically what limits everything concentrating to just one guy.
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