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Binance founder Changpeng Zhao agrees to step down, plead guilty

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Re: Binance founder Changpeng Zhao agrees to step down, plead guilty

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SBF decided to testify against CZ to try to save his own ass, giving justice dept and sec something to fine CZ with. Govt collects a big crypto fine, fine makes the big losers in FTX whole, problem solved. CZ should have just bought FTX and closed the deal and made people whole, woulda saved himself some drama.

Isn't it better to just go after the scammers and fraudsters as soon as possible?

Otherwise somebody else will be left "holding the bag" eventually (and it will be a larger bag).

I might be old-fashioned but these fines and charges, to be clear, are for ACTUAL wrong-doing, you know, MONEY LAUNDERING. That's greedy-bad-guy stuff. It's not arbitrary or simply a matter of "avoiding drama".

Re: Binance founder Changpeng Zhao agrees to step down, plead guilty

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"True crypto has never been tried"

XMR and BCH have been working great for a decade and in my mind are the ONLY Cryptocurrency projects that are not outright scams or digital ponzi schemes. It's odd how clear the picture is but how many people have been fooled by fakes. What other industry is 99% scams and only 1% legitimate?

Why are you downvoted? XMR is among the greatest cryptocurrencies. It's everything bitcoin was supposed to have been. The fact it's not in the top charts is proof of the irrationality of the market.

Re: Binance founder Changpeng Zhao agrees to step down, plead guilty

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How does it help clear the bad image? There are seemingly no large crypto orgs left that are untouched by criminal convictions.

That's why the ETFs are coming from non-crypto orgs - Blackrock, Fidelity, etc.

Where do you think they get their BTC to fund the ETFs?

Re: Binance founder Changpeng Zhao agrees to step down, plead guilty

#254

I'm absolutely astonished by this. He lives in the Middle East, which does not have any extradition treaties with America. Granted, he might transit a country that has a treaty, but I'm really shocked that he would give him. What did they have over him? Maybe it was China…

Imagine you’re a guy with many billions of dollars. Would you pay a few of them in order to not be an international fugitive for the rest of your life?

Re: Binance founder Changpeng Zhao agrees to step down, plead guilty

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I have a question why is what CZ did different from what SBF did? I mean other than SBF getting caught over-extended in downgrading market they both did the same type of fraud.

SBF lost customer funds by spending them as if they were his own. CZ isn't accused of spending customer funds, he's accused of letting people trade too freely.

Binance is also accused of commingling funds.

Re: Binance founder Changpeng Zhao agrees to step down, plead guilty

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"True crypto has never been tried"

It’s funny how true believers in communism and true believers in crypto talk exactly the same way nowadays. “FTX and Binance are not examples of true crypto!” “Soviet Union and Venezuela are not examples of true communism!”

Cryptocurrencies are cryptocurrencies. Binance is an exchange, essentially a bank in disguise. They are not even in the same category.

Re: Binance founder Changpeng Zhao agrees to step down, plead guilty

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SBF lost customer funds by spending them as if they were his own. CZ isn't accused of spending customer funds, he's accused of letting people trade too freely.

Binance is also accused of commingling funds.

AFAIK, commingling means that customer funds went into the same account as business funds. SBF is accused of then using those customer funds for business expenses, while Binance _seems_ to have stopped at just not separating them properly.

Re: Binance founder Changpeng Zhao agrees to step down, plead guilty

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Not before Tether has been taken down

yup Tether is the biggest fake money printing machine that keeps BTC afloat

I think so too however it looks like they may have printed their (counterfeited) way into solvency.

Basically: buy cheap BTCs, print shitload of tethers, sell BTCs for real USD to the tune of tens of billions and now store these real USD in short term US treasuries (they don't own chinese treasuries anymore) bringing in 5% and more.

They're claiming they now have excess money (!) to back their tether due to the fact that they collect 5% or more of interest on the short-term treasuries they have.

Put it this way: even if they printed $40bn out of their arses out of $80bn of tether, the $40bn of actual USD they'd have would still net them $2bn a year in interest. That'd still be a big hole but...

What if they printed "only" 10 bn out of thin air out of 80 bn: they'd have near 70 bn bringing in 3.5 bn yearly at the moment.

They don't give any of the interest back to USDT (tether) holders.

So if they printed "only" 10 bn out of their arses, in less than three years they'd have these 10 bn for real on interest alone.

It's still criminal (I guess) but it may not be "0% of tether are backed".

People have tried to run the maths on how much money entered the cryptocurrency world (with Coinbase giving a huge hint).

Centre (Circle+Coinbase) has really $24 bn backing their USDC coin (they publish the individual US short term treasuries bill number).

USDT (tether) is much older than USDC.

Did they cheat? Most certainly.

Did they "fake it 'till they made it", helped, by sheer luck, by interest rates going like crazy?

I think it's possible.

Re: Binance founder Changpeng Zhao agrees to step down, plead guilty

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I'm absolutely astonished by this. He lives in the Middle East, which does not have any extradition treaties with America. Granted, he might transit a country that has a treaty, but I'm really shocked that he would give him. What did they have over him? Maybe it was China…

Binance is also paying many billions in fines to the US and exiting the US completely. I also don't understand why - if they're presumably headquartered outside of US jurisdiction, what are they gaining by paying exorbitant fines? They're also further inviting every country they've ever had a customer in to levy huge fines against Binance.

I suspect that the threat of something similar to Global Magnitsky Sanctions (cutting them off from all dollar-denominated accounts everywhere) is a pretty big stick to use in negotiations. For a financial firm like Binance, access to bank accounts that can send dollars to and from US firms is pretty important, even without any US customers at all (losing access to banking in France, Cyprus, etc. would be equally difficult for them).

The US has recently (gradually over the past 20 years or so) started to really weaponize access to dollar-denominated accounts, essentially conscripting all the banks that want to do business with American banks into service of American foreign policy goals. This started in the aftermath of September 11th, for terrorism, then spread with the Magnitsky act of 2012 to include international corruption, and has slowly spread to more and more areas. So far the US has been somewhat judicious about using the tool- they seem to be aware that if they use it too often people will eventually just build ways around it- but it is a pretty big threat to wield against a company that absolutely needs to do business with somebody's banks.

Re: Binance founder Changpeng Zhao agrees to step down, plead guilty

#260

SBF decided to testify against CZ to try to save his own ass, giving justice dept and sec something to fine CZ with. Govt collects a big crypto fine, fine makes the big losers in FTX whole, problem solved. CZ should have just bought FTX and closed the deal and made people whole, woulda saved himself some drama.

> SBF decided to testify against CZ to try to save his own ass, giving justice dept and sec something to fine CZ with.

Is this conjecture?

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