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Post by whelp_24 »

awfulneutral wrote: post #206
sndwnm wrote: post #204

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Seems pointless to learn to make singular highly detailed visual art pieces? Maybe. Maybe it always was pointless. But most visual art is not just single pictures in a vacuum. Say you want to make a game with 2d still-art, or say a comic. You will need dozens or hundreds of images and they will have to be tied together by a common design — characters and style that look similar in the different images, and most of al…

> Finally, most artists don't think like you. It's not "pointless" to do something that can be technically repeated by other humans or AI. You do art because you want to express yourself. I've seen this sentiment a bunch of times, but I don't agree. Most people practice skills and make art in order to demonstrate their value to society. Art (and media) doesn't exist in a vacuum, it surely exists for societal reasons.…

Value to society seems like a niche motivation, a very external focus.

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Post by stolsvik »

southerntofu wrote: post #109
hutzlibu wrote: post #95

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"As far as I know there's a sizeable number of devs who don't intend to ever rely on copilot" Is that really a thing? I mean, I also don't want to rely on Microsoft and therefore also not on Copilot, but not using AI tools in general out of principle is probably a very rare minority. I simply would prefer my own local LLM. But in the thread linked above I read "AI never had and never will have it’s place in art." And…

> "As far as I know there's a sizeable number of devs who don't intend to ever rely on copilot" I'm one of those. I've been programming for a while now and there's no way i'm gonna trust a neural network with my code. Debugging is painful enough without having to deal with subtle bugs hallucinated by ML. Some machines are really useful to reduce human suffering and augment our collective capabilities. Some machines a…

You should really try it. I’ve been coding professionally since 2000, and some 10+ years before that as a kid with a hobby. The AI takes away quite a bit of tedious stuff. When you think “I’ll just have to code out that annoying little dumb piece”, where it is obvious what you need, but boring to write it, the AI typically knows what you want. Sometimes it is really mind-warping, like wow, that’s pretty heavy context you dragged in there! And sometimes it comes with a little left field that you hadn’t thought of, and even if it didn’t nail it, you got a new idea.

It’s like having an over-eager coworker to pair-program with - and can kinda boss around as you please, it never tiring or needing a break. Not senior-level (outside of knowing “deep” small pieces and snippets), but not fresh out of school either.

And it is great for fleshing out comments (if you’re into that, as I am), picking up your style and notation as you go.

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Post by Gormo »

RunSet wrote: post #205
Gormo wrote: post #198

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I think you'd be better served making moral arguments rooted in ethical principles that people adhere to in real life, not science fiction. This is especially important when you consider how unethical the Prime Directive itself is as a principle, and how often Star Trek portrays violating it as the morally superior choice. The position you're advancing here seems to infantilize people in rural areas and undeveloped n…

> The position you're advancing here seems to infantilize people in rural areas and undeveloped nations I believe it seems that way to you. Many people (in particular unemancipated minors) might likewise consider it infantilizing to place a minimum age requirement on drivers' licenses, firearms, alcohol, etc. yet the consensus is that doing so is for the greater good.

> Many people (in particular unemancipated minors) might likewise consider it infantilizing to place a minimum age requirement on drivers' licenses, firearms, alcohol, etc.

It seems unremarkable that we tend to treat actual children like children, but it's far less mundane to propose treating mature adults like children on the presupposition that due to their cultural or ethnic origins, they must exist in an immutable childlike state. The latter is an extremely dangerous notion, and we ought to be wary of anyone who advances it.

> yet the consensus is that doing so is for the greater good.

I'm not sure that any 'greater good' calculus is part of any consensus whatsoever.

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Post by awfulneutral »

whelp_24 wrote: post #261
awfulneutral wrote: post #206

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> Finally, most artists don't think like you. It's not "pointless" to do something that can be technically repeated by other humans or AI. You do art because you want to express yourself. I've seen this sentiment a bunch of times, but I don't agree. Most people practice skills and make art in order to demonstrate their value to society. Art (and media) doesn't exist in a vacuum, it surely exists for societal reasons.…

Value to society seems like a niche motivation, a very external focus.

To me it seems like a fundamental motivation - we do art because we want to impress those around us, gain respect, help to attract a mate, make money... Those reasons don't exist without other people to show our art to, and are much less effective if art is too easy to make and too common.

I'm sure there are people who don't have ambition to ever show others the skills they've been building, even in indirect ways, but I doubt it's common... What do you think the motivation is?

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Post by boppo1 »

whelp_24 wrote: post #234
boppo1 wrote: post #196

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>Would you object to somebody looking at your images and imitating the style? Yes. It's quite difficult to do so, however. The people capable usually have better things to do with their skills.

The claim that people don't copy art styles or even that it's rare is ridiculous. Opwm tumblr and you will immediately be presented with a counterexample.

I mean if you're talking about throwaway 4chan/twitter-anime, that's a different tier of art. I'm talking artists more like Jeremy Lipking or Jose Lopez Vegara.

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Post by Zelizz »

axytol wrote: post #34

They list under hardware requirements "a powerful graphics card with at least 6 GB VRAM is recommended. Otherwise generating images will take very long" Does anyone have any idea what would very long mean on a 4GB VRAM card?

My very-rough feeling about it from playing around with Stable Diffusion is that it takes about 4x as long if it runs out of GPU memory and needs to shuttle data back and forth from system memory. There are a lot of variables though - on my 3070 with 8GB of RAM, I can get very impressive 512x512 images in about 10 seconds with somewhat low sample counts, or I can set it to a higher resolution and sample count with 2x upscaling and get a really sharp image in around 2 minutes.

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Post by ben_w »

GeoAtreides wrote: post #181
ben_w wrote: post #72

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> AI is a tool that is and always will make the creation of art less a matter of the expression of the human soul I firmly disagree. I have a very strong imagination, but I never had time (and still don't have the time between full-time work and needing to learn German) to develop the skills to turn what I can imagine into artefacts that others can enjoy by my own hand . AI gives me the means to turn some of what I i…

> fully automated luxury communism It's actually "fully automated luxury gay space communism", all words are important there. Also, in the Culture series, arguably the seminal series about the "fully automated etc.", there's a whole scene about AI producing art (i.e. nobody cares or think it's interesting)

The original literary reference might have been, but as written it's the title of a book:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fully_Automated_Luxury_Commu...

> there's a whole scene about AI producing art (i.e. nobody cares or think it's interesting)

As I recall, this was a conversation between an organic person and a Mind, a specific category of AI that's quite capable of running several billion uploaded human consciousnesses simultaneously in real time, and it was the Mind who was saying that yes, they could make far better music, but they didn't want to.

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Post by deely3 »

tavavex wrote: post #227
deely3 wrote: post #223

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I get AI hate. How many AI models out there created with clear consent from authors of source materials? Zero?

Who decided that they should have the power to rule over this? Not only does it appear to be legal, but deciding that dataset compilation is inherently immoral and consent-violating would represent a draconian expansion of IP law that almost no individual should agree to. If I perform statistical research and count the most common English words based on many books, should I be liable to go and ask every author if the…

You stretching my words in so many directions... Relax, its just a comment, no need to feel vindicated.

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Post by whelp_24 »

awfulneutral wrote: post #264
whelp_24 wrote: post #261

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Value to society seems like a niche motivation, a very external focus.

To me it seems like a fundamental motivation - we do art because we want to impress those around us, gain respect, help to attract a mate, make money... Those reasons don't exist without other people to show our art to, and are much less effective if art is too easy to make and too common. I'm sure there are people who don't have ambition to ever show others the skills they've been building, even in indirect ways, bu…

To make oneself happy, to look at something and say i did this. To pass time and gain skills. Even if you want to show it to people you care about, it's not about the rarity it's about sharing. I may have doubts of the existence of pure altruism but gaining the respect of others is a very A_type personality selfish type view. I don't think everyone is really that concerned with others.

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Post by dartos »

bee_rider wrote: post #170
dartos wrote: post #108

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Well think of how AI was trained. GitHub trained copilot on _mostly_ open source data with permissive licenses. Giving away code and their rights for free is commonplace. Also it’s not like you can use “by Ryan Dhal” to make the output from copilot better. But these art AI were trained on. CC, CC-BY, and closed license pieces of art. And you can use “by Greg Rotowski” to get art in that artist’s specific style. I don…

Hmm, is it possible to include a bit of prompt in copilot, something like “follow the formatting guidelines of the Linux kernel,” or something like that? I dunno if it would help, but people do seem(?) to be improving their ChatGPT responses by telling it to answer as if it is an expert on a topic.

I’m sure it is, but the Linux kernel is freely available already AND it’s much less personal than directly naming someone to use their style
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