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'AI' Is Supercharging Our Broken Healthcare System's Worst Tendencies

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Re: 'AI' Is Supercharging Our Broken Healthcare System's Worst Tendencies

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Post by kelseyfrog »

QuarterReptile wrote: post #16
satellite2 wrote: post #3

This is not healthcare per se but insurance policy. It doesn't say anything about the use of AI in actual medicine.

Medical Insurance has all of the characteristics of a bad insurance business: small claims, frequent claims, horrendous adverse selection risk, and moral hazard everywhere. Undoubtedly, AI will help it reach its logical conclusion even faster.

Sadly, there is no state of malfunction that will result in the people having the ability to affect change feel compelled to affect change. With incentives or "that's just how the world works" effectively conspire against improvement.

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Post by snowpid »

rchaud wrote: post #11

Earlier discussion on this topic, with the original source link from ArsTechnica: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38299921 (Nov 17, 2023) As I said on that thread: the dangers of AI will always come down to human decisions made on how it should be applied. These 'solutions' will come from the McKinseys and IBMs of the world to serve hospital CEO needs, not those of patients or care providers. For those thinking…

" For those thinking that AI will reduce healthcare costs by improving efficiency, I point you to the 'electronic medical records' hype of 15 years ago. Are per capita healthcare costs any lower now? " Can you elaborate? In countries like Denmark or Estonia electronic medical records are well used among doctors and patients.

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Post by poszlem »

> “AI” (or more accurately language learning models nowhere close to sentience or genuine awareness) has plenty of innovative potential. Unfortunately, most of the folks actually in charge of the technology’s deployment largely see it as a way to cut corners, attack labor, and double down on all of their very worst impulses.

Having read the first paragraph with its profound and non-bias insight, I can only expect that the remainder of the article will offer a well-rounded and impartial exploration of the issue.

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Post by LegibleCrimson »

snowpid wrote: post #33
rchaud wrote: post #11

Earlier discussion on this topic, with the original source link from ArsTechnica: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38299921 (Nov 17, 2023) As I said on that thread: the dangers of AI will always come down to human decisions made on how it should be applied. These 'solutions' will come from the McKinseys and IBMs of the world to serve hospital CEO needs, not those of patients or care providers. For those thinking…

" For those thinking that AI will reduce healthcare costs by improving efficiency, I point you to the 'electronic medical records' hype of 15 years ago. Are per capita healthcare costs any lower now? " Can you elaborate? In countries like Denmark or Estonia electronic medical records are well used among doctors and patients.

I think the point is that one of the big hype phrases is that it will decrease costs of healthcare and lower people's bills, but even if you lower the cost, there is no actual incentive to lower patient bills, so the extra value simply goes to owners and investors rather than the end consumer.

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Post by avgDev »

apwell23 wrote: post #29
lordnacho wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You make up a CV that exactly matches the job advert and see whether there's a response

Why would a human also not choose a perfect CV over other options. What does this prove about AI.

Human can look at a CV which doesn't match but say I like what this person has done, learning our stack should be no big deal.

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Post by linuxftw »

snowpid wrote: post #33
rchaud wrote: post #11

Earlier discussion on this topic, with the original source link from ArsTechnica: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38299921 (Nov 17, 2023) As I said on that thread: the dangers of AI will always come down to human decisions made on how it should be applied. These 'solutions' will come from the McKinseys and IBMs of the world to serve hospital CEO needs, not those of patients or care providers. For those thinking…

" For those thinking that AI will reduce healthcare costs by improving efficiency, I point you to the 'electronic medical records' hype of 15 years ago. Are per capita healthcare costs any lower now? " Can you elaborate? In countries like Denmark or Estonia electronic medical records are well used among doctors and patients.

The idea was that with all this healthcare data, patients would realize better outcomes. Like, your super-Doctor is going to realize that 6 months ago, you went to urgent care of XYZ condition, and that's going to shine some kind of light on your situation now, so he's going to be better prepared to treat you.

The reality is, the vast majority of that data is useless noise, nobody has the time to make any kind of analysis on it, and it's just another healthcare cost center providing zero value to the patient.

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Post by BobaFloutist »

thesuitonym wrote: post #24
asdajksah2123 wrote: post #23

I'm not sure I understand why AI is supposed to make anything better, at least under the regulatory regime we have right now. 1. AI doesn't do anything new. It's just human thinking done better in the best case scenario. So the plus side is that we may come up with ideas that a human might have come up with 10-15 years later. However, a lack of ideas is not the problem we face at all. We have solutions to nearly ever…

You don't understand because you think we have a society built around making life better for everyone. It's not. Our society currently is optimized for one thing: Making sure the rich stay rich, and the poor stay poor. In that respect, AI is amazing. AI requires a small upfront cost, then can do the job of thousands of people for the pay of less than one. It works 24 hours, and will never ask for more money. And it w…

>you think we have a society built around making life better for everyone.

You know, I don't think they do think that?

I think they think that's what society should be, though.

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Post by verdverm »

satellite2 wrote: post #3

This is not healthcare per se but insurance policy. It doesn't say anything about the use of AI in actual medicine.

agree, this is a low quality article, using a single example to define an entire industry

They put no effort into finding places where AI is making things better in healthcare. One example I know of, https://ferrumhealth.com/

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Post by adolph »

satellite2 wrote: post #3

This is not healthcare per se but insurance policy. It doesn't say anything about the use of AI in actual medicine.

To all the sibling comments saying "insurance is part of the 'Healthcare System,'" well, the headline could have said "Health Insurance" but instead chose a broader category. The parent comment is helpful because it adds context.

Further, the anecdatum of one provided in the article doesn't support the use of "AI" in the headline nor the thesis that "'AI Is Supercharging" anything. It refers to an algorithm that the company never divulges. It could just as well be a random number generator or a magic eight ball as much as it is "AI."

The article is a clickbait moment of hate.

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