Starting their own company seems much more attractive. Many would love to fund anything they create.
Ask HN: Why do Sam and Greg need Microsoft?
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#2GPU compute
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#3I think it comes down to prioritizing speed of execution in the race for AGI, especially in the context of two constrained resources:
1. Compute (H100s are almost impossible to get ahold of, especially in the quantities they'd need to train a competitive model)
2. Data (OpenAI has a very rich set of user data from ChatGPT that is necessary for creating a model like GPT-4; a new venture would lack this data -- the cold start problem -- but Microsoft may* have similarly usable data from non-enterprise Bing Chat)
* Someone please feel free to prove me wrong on this - I'm not aware of a MS policy saying they won't use Bing Chat prompts for training, but it could very well exist.
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#4I assume the same reason that even OpenAI needs Microsoft - Compute and GPU access.
If they started there own company, they would then need to do a deal with someone like Microsoft anyway, so why not just work at the source and then you get priority on that.
Plus as a secondary, Microsoft's access to OpenAI's models, I believe they have certain rights, so it would mean they are not starting at zero again.
Starting a new company, no matter what the talent they bring, with no compute resources and starting from zero puts them way behind in what is a flat out sprint / race at the big tech companies at this point, not advisable.
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#5Can this way have access to some "intellectual property" through Microsoft? If they go independent, they will have to build many things again.
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#6I think it comes down to prioritizing speed of execution in the race for AGI, especially in the context of two constrained resources: 1. Compute (H100s are almost impossible to get ahold of, especially in the quantities they'd need to train a competitive model) 2. Data (OpenAI has a very rich set of user data from ChatGPT that is necessary for creating a model like GPT-4; a new venture would lack this data -- the col…
It makes sense. It seems Microsoft is now in a good position
Re: Ask HN: Why do Sam and Greg need Microsoft?
#7I assume the same reason that even OpenAI needs Microsoft - Compute and GPU access. If they started there own company, they would then need to do a deal with someone like Microsoft anyway, so why not just work at the source and then you get priority on that. Plus as a secondary, Microsoft's access to OpenAI's models, I believe they have certain rights, so it would mean they are not starting at zero again. Starting a…
Microsoft seems the big winner in all this mess. Be with Microsoft seems a win-win for all parts
Re: Ask HN: Why do Sam and Greg need Microsoft?
#8I assume the same reason that even OpenAI needs Microsoft - Compute and GPU access. If they started there own company, they would then need to do a deal with someone like Microsoft anyway, so why not just work at the source and then you get priority on that. Plus as a secondary, Microsoft's access to OpenAI's models, I believe they have certain rights, so it would mean they are not starting at zero again. Starting a…
Microsoft could be in great difficulty and Satya managed it well.
Re: Ask HN: Why do Sam and Greg need Microsoft?
#9I assume the same reason that even OpenAI needs Microsoft - Compute and GPU access. If they started there own company, they would then need to do a deal with someone like Microsoft anyway, so why not just work at the source and then you get priority on that. Plus as a secondary, Microsoft's access to OpenAI's models, I believe they have certain rights, so it would mean they are not starting at zero again. Starting a…
Microsoft seems the big winner in all this mess. Be with Microsoft seems a win-win for all parts
I think MS took on Altmann to avoid him and others drifting away. It isn't what anyone would have wanted.
Re: Ask HN: Why do Sam and Greg need Microsoft?
#10It's the other way around. Why Microsoft needs them.
The answer is obvious and resources to make it happen are immense.