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At this point it seems pointless to even bother to try given that AI will generate all possible artwork within a couple years. I mean. Say you get "good" at using this. What's the life expectancy at any kind of creative outlet you could have that would support you? I mean if we're talking this is fun as a toy, yeah ok. I could see that. But as a job? When everyone can paint no one is paid for it. I suppose that we co…

Being a painter, a photographer, a musician, an actor, a freelance artist in any medium, has never been a viable career for any significant fraction of the people that want to do so. It has always been a hobby that some very small percentage of people manage to make enough money from to scrape by, and some infinitesimal percentage make enough money from to be wealthy. AI is unlikely to change that, because there will very likely still be a demand for celebrities that some infinitesimal proportion of lucky aspirants will fill, and the vast majority of the industry by numbers will be hobbyist or hobbyists-in-denial who think their small business drawing commissions for some normies & wealthy furries on Twitter will be an economically sustainable career for all the people that want to do it. The most likely outcome of AI in the long run is that a lot of these people produce significantly more work of equivalent quality without being paid any more because demand won't rise (there is already massive oversupply of art, demand is the limiter for financial feasibility), a lot more hobbyists are making art because of the lower barrier to entry, and animators + VFX artists have their productivity go up by a lot and can maybe trade that into real gains in conditions if they're willing to unionise.

Re: Krita AI Diffusion

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IMO all of this will blow over in a few years and most artists will accept that "AI" is just another tool that one can use to create art. It took some time for photography as well... edit: typo

This is absolutely ridiculous and short-sighted. AI is a tool that is and always will make the creation of art less a matter of the expression of the human soul. What techies NEVER understand about art is this: that art is not just the end product for the artist but something they use to express THEMSELVES. UNLIKE other tools, AI makes creative decisions. No other tool has done this, and moreover, its primary purpose…

I use any tool available to create art and express myself, so I does not really matter what you think of it. Art is a very subjective thing anyway and we can argue for hours what "art" really is. But here are some of my thoughts regarding your comment, I think they apply to many others in this thread as well.

>UNLIKE other tools, AI makes creative decisions. No other tool has done this

If you use any other tool or technology (for example certain oil paint, canvases, sculpting material, motif, etc.) that also implies a creative decision.

>its primary purpose is to take away the reliance on artists

That is not true. It might be the purpose that some people ascribe to it, but it is a technology & a tool.

Humans decide what its purpose is, its purpose is not inherent to the technology itself.

You can use Imagen to create very personal and individual self-expression. With open source models that you can tweak and train yourself there are many possibilities to get an individual result. I guess you only looked at things like Dall-E and came to the conclusion that this would replace artists.

The same thing people said about photography aka "This is just a technology to replace portrait painters/landscape painters etc."

If you learn more about how Imagen works you will understand that there are many possibilities to make it your own and create meaningful self-expression.

>even if "normal human art" exists, it will never gain much traction or commercial viability.

There is 0 indication of that. Why do you think that?

FWIW the current art "market" is what makes me sick, so I am happy for any tech or idea that demolishes it and makes room for something new and creative.

Re: Krita AI Diffusion

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Just as a data point counter to yours, I'm a Vim user with a 150+ wpm typing speed, and I have to say I find Copilot massively useful. In Go, it's great for dealing with a lot of the repetitive code one finds themselves writing. When writing Android apps, it's useful for API discovery!

Are you guys seriously involved in a WPM pissing contest?

The point I was _actually_ trying to illustrate was that wpm and vim are irrelevant, and that Copilot is worth a try even if you're a fast typist that uses (your favorite editor here).

What does this comment add to the conversation?

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Because that is not what's happening. My friends that work as illustrators for PC and mobile games say it's the exact opposite. AI is used for the bulk of the creative work - composition, posing, even the general artstyle. Illustrators are then tasked with "fixing" visual artefacts, stitching together generated images and giving the final polish. They describe it as being reduced from a creative writer to a grammar c…

The problem with many technophiles is that they have a very distorted view of what they create. They often think it's going to do good because it's so cool but once that tech is out in the real world, it just mostly causes damage. If you're interested, feel free to reach out to me because I am starting an anti-AI coalition.

Technology is just what it is. Good and bad are human categories that don't apply to technology per se (and are very subjective categories that change dramatically across time, space, and culture)

What humans use it for is another discussion.

One example: - You can use nuclear fission to provide light and warmth to millions or blow up millions.

Is nuclear fission good or bad?

I would argue it depends what humans make of it.

Same with what you call "AI".

I wish you luck with your coalition, but once a technology is "out there", you cant take it back. I don't think there is an example in history where that happened, would be curious if you know one.

Re: Krita AI Diffusion

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Just as a data point counter to yours, I'm a Vim user with a 150+ wpm typing speed, and I have to say I find Copilot massively useful. In Go, it's great for dealing with a lot of the repetitive code one finds themselves writing. When writing Android apps, it's useful for API discovery!

The initial question was "Is there really a sizeable number of devs who don't intend to ever rely on Copilot?", not "Are all Vim users who type fast anti-Copilot?". I don't mean to dismiss your data point, just to put things in context. Since Copilot is generally recognized as a useful tool, there will of course be Vim users with great typing speed who still find it useful regardless. Now, when it comes to Go, I find…

And yet the comment I'm replying to didn't say "I won't ever rely on Copilot," it said "I can say with confidence that Copilot isn't that useful to me."

I made my comment because I hope others who are fast typists, and familiar with their tools, do give Copilot a try. I expected to hate it, didn't try it for a long time, and was quite surprised when I did.

> But I haven't personally found a scenario in which I explicitly thought "damn, I know exactly what I need to write, but it's so long - I wish someone would write it for me".

Test case setup comes to mind. Another place it's useful is for writing long function-interface signatures. Or adding a bunch of similar "case" statements to a switch.

Generics still have a ton of limitations.

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> which you would know if you ever tried to draw anything I know exactly how hard it is to draw anything because I tried a bunch of times, and failed. I for one am happy that I can now express my creative ideas, which I couldn't do before due to missing talent / practice.

You're free to personally be happy that you can express your creative ideas, but it is a bit absurd to expect people who did put in the effort in practicing to not see you in a negative light as someone who wants the 'benefits' without putting in the hard work of self-improvement. This is a uniquely AI related issue, as artists of all mediums can relate with each other about their struggles learning and improving the…

How many hours of hard work do you need to put in before you can have the "benefit" of calling yourself an artist?

Tbh this sounds like gatekeeping to me.

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Are you guys seriously involved in a WPM pissing contest?

Do you know how many hours I've spent grinding gtypist? Of course I'm going to involve myself in WPM pissing contests. Not doing so would be like going to the gym and not posting your muscle flexing photos on social media. It's just taking away the joy.

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Most professional artists will be unemployed and hobbyist artists using AI seems to be kind of against the point of creating art for the art of creation. But for one-click self-expression, AI tools will certainly come in handy.

The dawn of the post-work age! C : .. nearly everyone will become unemployed five years from now (when AGI / humanoid robots hit mainstream adoption). The economical paradigm will have to change inevitably. Now it's on us to nudge it towards a nice and chill open source economy with open access infrastructure and cybersyn-like global federated resource stream coordination instead of the competitive vortex of death, m…

Mainstream media said the same thing about nuclear energy, steam engines, integrated circuits, and a dozen other technologies since the dawn of civilization. It never manifested though, and people still work and produce like they did for thousands of years.

Humans are surprisingly adept at coming up with new kinds of work.

IMO the bigger "risk" is that we will extinct ourselves in the next few hundred years, but that is a different discussion.

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> "As far as I know there's a sizeable number of devs who don't intend to ever rely on copilot" I'm one of those. I've been programming for a while now and there's no way i'm gonna trust a neural network with my code. Debugging is painful enough without having to deal with subtle bugs hallucinated by ML. Some machines are really useful to reduce human suffering and augment our collective capabilities. Some machines a…

We don't have 1 day a week workweeks not because it isn't possible but because we don't live late 19th / early 20th century lifestyles anymore. We have modern cities, infrastructure, transportation, manufacturing, power generation, diets, and recreation. I don't think many would want to go back to an agrarian lifestyle where you live in a one or two room brick cottage, walk everywhere, till a field with a very simple…

> I don't think many would want to go back to an agrarian lifestyle where you live in a one or two room brick cottage, walk everywhere, till a field with a very simple, small tractor, eat only what you grow seasonally, have two changes of clothes, and own basically nothing but the bare essentials to clean and feed yourself.

You could not possibly have made it sound more attractive and compelling.

Re: Krita AI Diffusion

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We don't have 1 day a week workweeks not because it isn't possible but because we don't live late 19th / early 20th century lifestyles anymore. We have modern cities, infrastructure, transportation, manufacturing, power generation, diets, and recreation. I don't think many would want to go back to an agrarian lifestyle where you live in a one or two room brick cottage, walk everywhere, till a field with a very simple…

> I don't think many would want to go back to an agrarian lifestyle where you live in a one or two room brick cottage, walk everywhere, till a field with a very simple, small tractor, eat only what you grow seasonally, have two changes of clothes, and own basically nothing but the bare essentials to clean and feed yourself. You could not possibly have made it sound more attractive and compelling.

I suppose for some people but if you've ever done any farm work then you'd know the reality is very different from the fantasy.

Also, there's nothing really stopping you from giving up all your worldly goods and doing this now.

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