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Nothing's iMessage app was a security catastrophe, taken down in 24 hours

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Re: Nothing's iMessage app was a security catastrophe, taken down in 24 hours

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Is Teenage Engineering actually a part of a joint venture or are they just design consultants used to pump brand appeal?

Up until now I had no idea TE had anything to do with Nothing phones.

I like their mini synths. Never knew that they are involved with phones or anything beyond small synths tbh.

Re: Nothing's iMessage app was a security catastrophe, taken down in 24 hours

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It's too early to play guess the acronym for me. What is the MAUL part of your FAANGMAUL acronym.

Microsoft, Airbnb, Uber, Lyft. When will we stop adding companies' acronyms?

When all the thoughtlord talent is finally and permanently collected into an enumerable initialism, so no thoughtlord feels any insecurity at being excluded from FAANGMAULTALONRIP.

Re: Nothing's iMessage app was a security catastrophe, taken down in 24 hours

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I still can't fathom why people would care in the slightest what their message bubble color was (I mean as a European I don't get iMessage at all, I use Signal and WhatsApp for the less tech-literate family of mine), it sounds like the most insanely petty thing to grab onto to care about.

Re: Nothing's iMessage app was a security catastrophe, taken down in 24 hours

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>"Sunbird actually logged and stored messages in plain text on both the error reporting software Sentry and in a Firebase store. Authentication tokens were sent over unencrypted HTTP so this token could be intercepted and used to read your messages" Which product manager in his/her right mind, thought this was passable when you're building and marketing your product as an iMessage alternative and every single early a…

This is shockingly bad. Like so bad it has to be malice, right? To make requests over HTTP instead of HTTPS you have to do so intentionally, right?

> Which product manager in his/her right mind, thought this was passable when you're building and marketing your product as an iMessage alternative and every single early access reviewer raised these exact security concerns in public?

This all falls on technical leadership and the software engineers. No passing the buck to non-technical people who aren't reading or writing code and probably don't understand encryption (although they should at a place like this).

Re: Nothing's iMessage app was a security catastrophe, taken down in 24 hours

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Up until now I had no idea TE had anything to do with Nothing phones.

I like their mini synths. Never knew that they are involved with phones or anything beyond small synths tbh.

They've designed a bunch of stuff for IKEA and other brands: https://teenage.engineering/designs

Re: Nothing's iMessage app was a security catastrophe, taken down in 24 hours

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not to mention that RCS isn’t encrypted.

google has added e2ee in their implementation but it's not part of the standard, i think they use the signal protocol rcs is too controlled by carriers for my liking. it's very much an sms replacement, rather than a protocol that treats the cell network as merely a data layer

Apple is implementing RCS as the actual standard, not Google's implementation. Which is the right move, if RCS is going to happen, Google should not be controlling it. Apple said they're planning to work at getting encryption build into the actual standard.

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The other story people are missing here is that even if this wasn't a security issue, iMessage is adopting RCS next year, so the whole blue/green bubble thing will become much less relevant.

As far as I've read so far Apple is adding RCS support to the Messages app, aka alongside SMS & MMS: https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/16/23964171/apple-iphone-rc... It's not clear if iMessage will interoperate via RCS, which is what would make blue/green bubbles less relevant. My assumption would be no as they'd cede moat, and there isn't much of a network effect for them to gain from.

Apple is not changing anything about how iMessage works, it's clear in their statement in the article you linked:

> We believe RCS Universal Profile will offer a better interoperability experience when compared to SMS or MMS. This will work alongside iMessage, which will continue to be the best and most secure messaging experience for Apple users.

Re: Nothing's iMessage app was a security catastrophe, taken down in 24 hours

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>Why are we blaming PMs, here? Plenty of engineers out there make really stupid decisions every day. EXACTLY! Because it's a known fact all devs make mistakes, and as such, as a product manager/owner you're responsible for the bigger picture of the product and ensuring the right requirements, checks and bound are put in palce and validated for a successful product release. It's not the job of the lowly SW engineers w…

I hope this is facetious. Security is everyone’s job, and unencrypted customer data, outside of a locked-down DB, should give one pause.

Their definition of done clearly didn’t align with reality. Product Managers fault although I am sure there is more to the story (aka no Product Manager)

Re: Nothing's iMessage app was a security catastrophe, taken down in 24 hours

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Microsoft, Airbnb, Uber, Lyft. When will we stop adding companies' acronyms?

I'll stick with the ~1T market cap software/service ones: Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Google/Alphabet: FAAMG; But in discussions I'll include any company that has similar tech/business requirements or behavior.

(and gamma)

Re: Nothing's iMessage app was a security catastrophe, taken down in 24 hours

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> Apple is almost certainly aware of this at the C-Suite level What makes you think this?

iMessage is one of the primary moats keeping a lot of people on iPhone. I'm not necessarily as sure as the parent comment that the c-suite was briefed or anything, but I do think that iMessage exclusivity is pretty important to Apple

iMessage is a relic, most people in Europe use WhatsApp and alternatives in other continents. The whole blue/green thing is just Apple-driven hype to remember folks that iMessage even exists.
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