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Sam Altman exposes the charade of AI accountability

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Re: Sam Altman exposes the charade of AI accountability

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Finally! Somebody has said it plainly. Sam Altman is merely another "Tech Executive" out for himself and his buddies making money off of true path-breaking researchers. "AI Trailblazer", "Helping Humanity with AGI" etc. was all bullshit.

I don't think there was any doubt about that. Did anybody here believe that crap?

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Honestly there is something deeply shameful about tech workers finally organizing, uniting together in one voice, and using that voice to defend Sam Altman of all people.

Yep. The tools we are building will have something of the character of the people who build them and their values inside of them.

We used to identify some behaviour as sin. A few years ago it was commonly said that "Microsoft is evil".

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This article is that Obama meme awarding a medal to himself. Also I don't get it, OpenAI's product was technically made by Ilya who's still at OpenAI.

With 700 ish employees I find it difficult to attribute their success to one person.

I was not talking about the success but the core tech those employees are working with. That's what really matters isn't it?

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This is interesting because I kind of view it the opposite way. The interesting thing about Zuckerberg, Brin & Page is that the have legal structures in place to give them control. Mark Zuckerberg doesn't need to be popular, he has the votes. He can drive Meta into a wall if he wants to - and he absolutely has taken that choice sometimes. The thing about the structure that was in place at OpenAI is that if Altman went rogue there was someone there to hold him to account. Now there actually is a really interesting conversation about what that accountability mechanism was, but what happened in practice is the board just screwed up.

But I do think it is worth considering, was this non-profit board thought out in the first place. If you were serious about the dangers of AI and the impact on the world I think it's absolutely sensible to set up a board to be a balance on that power. But it's important who you put on that board - and the people they selected were comical. Brockman, Sutskever, and Altman are all the people that are meant to be accountable to the board, not on the board.

If you wanted accountability you would, for a start, have had some people from outside silicon valley on this board. Some people who know something about Labour rights for example, maybe some people from the creative industries you're disrupting, maybe even some policy experts. It's just funny to think that this is what they thought accountability was. Accountability to their own friends.

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Meh. The fundamental mistake the board made was to give MS an in perpetuity licence to OpenAI IP. What a terrible negotiation mistake.

Isn't the CEO who arranged that now working for Microsoft? Interesting turn of events.

The timeline is a bit murky about what happened when but it looks to me as if Altman was working for OpenAI until he got fired after which he took a job with OpenAI's major partner that he helped bring on board.

That doesn't 100% rule out that there was more to this but the optics are mostly ok. It still doesn't resolve the problem that you probably don't want either Sam Altman or Microsoft to have an army of people working at creating AGI without oversight but that's where the board shot themselves in the foot, they effectively removed themselves from the equation.

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Honestly there is something deeply shameful about tech workers finally organizing, uniting together in one voice, and using that voice to defend Sam Altman of all people.

I don't feel any different relative to the people working at FB or Google and all of them have their own in-house AI projects. Ethics are a problem for all of these parties and that seems to happen more or less automatically when an entity reaches a certain size.

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Finally! Somebody has said it plainly. Sam Altman is merely another "Tech Executive" out for himself and his buddies making money off of true path-breaking researchers. "AI Trailblazer", "Helping Humanity with AGI" etc. was all bullshit.

I don't think there was any doubt about that. Did anybody here believe that crap?

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Re: Sam Altman exposes the charade of AI accountability

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Honestly there is something deeply shameful about tech workers finally organizing, uniting together in one voice, and using that voice to defend Sam Altman of all people.

Yep. The tools we are building will have something of the character of the people who build them and their values inside of them. We used to identify some behaviour as sin. A few years ago it was commonly said that "Microsoft is evil".

For me that hasn't changed, I don't see a different company, I just see more polish and people lap it up because they'd like to believe that this time around Microsoft is their friend. If appropriating all open source on GitHub didn't wake people up I don't think anything will.

Re: Sam Altman exposes the charade of AI accountability

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

With 700 ish employees I find it difficult to attribute their success to one person.

I was not talking about the success but the core tech those employees are working with. That's what really matters isn't it?

If there is no success then there is nothing to discuss.
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