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Earth likely briefly passed critical warming threshold on Friday and Saturday

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Re: Earth likely briefly passed critical warming threshold on Friday and Saturday

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Post by hutzlibu »

ben_w wrote: post #60
concordDance wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A flat per gram CO2 tax would be a great idea, but universal international cooperation is required and this would hurt less developed countries a LOT. At this point lots of warming is inevitable regardless of what (peaceful) things the US and EU do. Africa will get four billion people this century and they want things.

Africa can skip a lot of our mistakes. PV is cheap, and for places that don't yet have a reliable grid connection, batteries may be cheaper than building a grid (or stabilising it if they have one that's unstable).

Yup, the same way they skipped landline phones and started with smartphones right away.

Re: Earth likely briefly passed critical warming threshold on Friday and Saturday

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Post by CalRobert »

MrVandemar wrote: post #12
DoreenMichele wrote: post #4

Maybe we can get off our but(t)s and start restoring wetlands like our lives depend upon it. (Ah, hark, I hear crickets chirping.)

Farmer here. Planted about 1,000 native trees this year in our home-grown revegetation project, and going to spend the next 2 years making sure as many of them as possible don't die. No govt subsidies or anything. Our own $ and our own work. Nobody will do it, nobody will pay to do it, so we do.

Even worse, not only are you not paid to do it, you are paid NOT to do it. I have a few acres of land in Ireland (not a lot, admittedly!) and rewilding it means it is no longer eligible for agricultural subsidies. The government effectively pays you to destroy biodiversity with beef.

Re: Earth likely briefly passed critical warming threshold on Friday and Saturday

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Post by mips_r4300i »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #4

Maybe we can get off our but(t)s and start restoring wetlands like our lives depend upon it. (Ah, hark, I hear crickets chirping.)

Been donating to Ducks Unlimited here in the US for years. Their angle is to protect the hunting pastime, but to that end involves getting involved with many states' local issues to keep the wetlands protected.

Just a drop in the bucket, but hey.

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Post by gala8y »

pelagicAustral wrote: post #62
gala8y wrote: post #26

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Let us do not forget about plastic straws. Let's ban plastic straws.

Haha, Funny, I live in the Falklands and plastic bags along with plastic straws have been banned. But you can walk along the coast line and most of the time, the pollution there is all plastic coming from the fishing industry... Yet, no one is saying nothing about that, since the economy is driven by the fishing industry... Not long ago I had a few scientist friends working for an "NGO", and it was so crazy to see mu…

Exactly my point. Systemic thinking and action at its best.

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Post by vladms »

vixen99 wrote: post #43
Toutouxc wrote: post #29

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Which "tax or something" screws over the little guy while having absolutely no effect on the global climate?

Merely an observation: no tax thus far exacted by any government anywhere has had any measurable effect on the global climate, again, thus far. Taxes relating to emissions and the like relate to emissions etc., not global climate metrics. They have had a beneficial effect on atmospheric pollutants like sulfur dioxide, fluorocarbons and many others.

If the emissions (of CO2, etc) have an impact on global climate doesn't that mean a measurable effect on emissions has an impact on global climate? If you have doubts about emissions impacting climate say that, but that's another discussion.

There are many things not directly measurable which have an impact. Example: when learning a new programming language reading one paragraph of a tutorial does not have a measurable effect on you knowing the language - for most paragraphs. But if you read zero paragraphs you might not know anything.

Re: Earth likely briefly passed critical warming threshold on Friday and Saturday

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Post by generic92034 »

colechristensen wrote: post #64
generic92034 wrote: post #30

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> The moralizing and doom don’t really help anybody. That is one angle to influence politicians, though. In public they like to claim moral superiority.

Well now we have half of the political spectrum claiming morality with one extreme position and the other half claiming morality with the opposite extreme. Fear is a bad way to govern.

Could you please point out the two extremes?

Also, a threat is a threat. Ignoring it does not make it less of a threat, usually.

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Post by underseacables »

bergen wrote: post #31
snehk wrote: post #15

Welp. Time for a conference we all fly to using private jets to tell the plebs how it's their doing that's destroying the planet. Maybe agree on a tax or something that screws over the little guy while having absolutely no effect on the global climate.

A tax on CO2 producers that is redistributed as basic income, helping the smallest guy the most, would be a gradual force to shift to cleaner energy, since the seismic shift that is required cleary is not favored by anyone.

Any tax in America would be completely pointless if there's nothing that limits, China, and India, as the world's largest polluters. Anything the West does is just a drop in the bucket, unless those two countries follow.

Re: Earth likely briefly passed critical warming threshold on Friday and Saturday

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Post by hatenberg »

underseacables wrote: post #78
bergen wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A tax on CO2 producers that is redistributed as basic income, helping the smallest guy the most, would be a gradual force to shift to cleaner energy, since the seismic shift that is required cleary is not favored by anyone.

Any tax in America would be completely pointless if there's nothing that limits, China, and India, as the world's largest polluters. Anything the West does is just a drop in the bucket, unless those two countries follow.

It's a very large drop.

33% of global carbon emissions are from the west 18% from the united states A significant share of chinese emmissions is driven by western consumerism as well and could be reduced.

Even a 10% reduction of the overall share driven purely by the west would amount to a lot more than a drop. Even more if coupled with a proper incentive system for other countries to follow

"completely pointless"?

Re: Earth likely briefly passed critical warming threshold on Friday and Saturday

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Post by karmakurtisaani »

pelagicAustral wrote: post #65
konstantinua00 wrote: post #51

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is it ahead? last I heard the set goal became too optimistic

I took it it was sarcasm...

It actually was not sarcasm, check this out https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-chinas-emissions-set-to...

Sorry, should have linked this in the original comment.

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