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Earth likely briefly passed critical warming threshold on Friday and Saturday

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Re: Earth likely briefly passed critical warming threshold on Friday and Saturday

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Post by colechristensen »

senectus1 wrote: post #27
colechristensen wrote: post #16

It’s not critical, it’s arbitrary. The earth is warming, it’s going to keep warming. What we should do is focus on practical responses to both limit future warming and handle the consequences of where we’re heading. The moralizing and doom don’t really help anybody.

well... it does help to motivate the lazy. sometimes.

Quite the opposite. The doom attitude demotivates many people who don’t believe it. It’s easy to disprove or disbelieve exaggeration and emotional appeals and as a result the things which do need to be believed are thrown out with the exaggerations.

The primary thing exaggeration does is convince a small number of people that they also need to loudly exaggerate adding more noise drowning out the folks who aren’t exaggerating and need to be heard.

Re: Earth likely briefly passed critical warming threshold on Friday and Saturday

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Post by pelagicAustral »

gala8y wrote: post #26
snehk wrote: post #15

Welp. Time for a conference we all fly to using private jets to tell the plebs how it's their doing that's destroying the planet. Maybe agree on a tax or something that screws over the little guy while having absolutely no effect on the global climate.

Let us do not forget about plastic straws. Let's ban plastic straws.

Haha, Funny, I live in the Falklands and plastic bags along with plastic straws have been banned. But you can walk along the coast line and most of the time, the pollution there is all plastic coming from the fishing industry... Yet, no one is saying nothing about that, since the economy is driven by the fishing industry...

Not long ago I had a few scientist friends working for an "NGO", and it was so crazy to see mugs and other swag from oil companies over at their HQ...

Re: Earth likely briefly passed critical warming threshold on Friday and Saturday

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Post by colechristensen »

generic92034 wrote: post #30
colechristensen wrote: post #16

It’s not critical, it’s arbitrary. The earth is warming, it’s going to keep warming. What we should do is focus on practical responses to both limit future warming and handle the consequences of where we’re heading. The moralizing and doom don’t really help anybody.

> The moralizing and doom don’t really help anybody. That is one angle to influence politicians, though. In public they like to claim moral superiority.

Well now we have half of the political spectrum claiming morality with one extreme position and the other half claiming morality with the opposite extreme.

Fear is a bad way to govern.

Re: Earth likely briefly passed critical warming threshold on Friday and Saturday

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Post by pelagicAustral »

konstantinua00 wrote: post #51
karmakurtisaani wrote: post #23

In the mean time, China is adding more and more solar, and is ahead of schedule in decarbonizing. Maybe there is still some hope.

is it ahead? last I heard the set goal became too optimistic

I took it it was sarcasm...

Re: Earth likely briefly passed critical warming threshold on Friday and Saturday

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

The head of one of the world's biggest oil companies has been named to lead the COP28 global climate talks in Dubai, later this year. [0]

Hydrocarbon fuels will continue to lead the agenda and pace, read stiffle action, for climate emergency mitigation through lobbying and media narrative.

The end game is obvious but there is still a long runway of profit that can be extracted until it is no longer palitable for public opinion.

I see three possible tipping points:

- Climate change erodes US hegemony to a point that is no longer palitable to US national interests [1]

- People mass suing companies for climate damage in a magnitude that impacts the bottom line or charges C-levels criminally.

- Environmental groups start taking out Oil & Gas Board members and lobbyists, subsequent 'terror' precipitates an actual sunsetting.

At least the geometric shape building in America seems to be ahead of this in contingency plans for some tipping points.

[0] https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-64240206

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/intelligenc...

Re: Earth likely briefly passed critical warming threshold on Friday and Saturday

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Post by MrVandemar »

graycat wrote: post #40
MrVandemar wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Farmer here. Planted about 1,000 native trees this year in our home-grown revegetation project, and going to spend the next 2 years making sure as many of them as possible don't die. No govt subsidies or anything. Our own $ and our own work. Nobody will do it, nobody will pay to do it, so we do.

What kind of trees on what land with what climate? Why was that land without trees? Logging? Too much wind? Too little water?

Okay, we have a small farm in the Great Southern Region of Western Australia. A large chunk of it was cleared for cattle and is kikyu/gass pasture, and we still run a small herd of 8 head. But we're very lucky to have about 3/4s of our land well preserved bushland.

The first thing we did when we bought the place was to plant several broad wind-breaks and shelter-belts with native species in the pasture, forming "corridors". Over the years we've added more -- revegetating the road-verge and encouraging the stuff already there to grow back. We've also planted hedgerows of some other trees that aren't native, but are stock fodder, and the birds and insects love them.

We plant a variety of eucalyptus species, acacias, sheoaks, and a number of melaleuca's and various bushes and shrubs.

This year we enlarged two of our large shelter-belts, extended several of our shade-clumps, and did an ambitious amount of planting along the road verge (which hopefully won't be shredded by the council next time they come along).

It's a drop in the ocean, but it's local, it's something concrete that we can do beyond the rather ridiculous appeasement of separating the recyclables.

Some of the trees we plant will outlive us, and I love that.

Re: Earth likely briefly passed critical warming threshold on Friday and Saturday

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Post by wishpishh »

bluescrn wrote: post #56
KennyBlanken wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only reason cars are viable "outside large towns/cities" is because the large cities are subsidizing road construction in rural areas. Those rural area voters, in turn, elect politicians who scream blue bloody murder about how high taxes are, and refuse to vote for funding for public transportation...something that would benefit the cities generating the wealth the rural areas. Isn't it wild how the "fiscal conse…

Large cities couldn't exist without rural areas and their food production.

A very small percentage of people living in rural areas are actually in food production.

Re: Earth likely briefly passed critical warming threshold on Friday and Saturday

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Post by kerrsclyde »

newsclues wrote: post #47
Toutouxc wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which "tax or something" screws over the little guy while having absolutely no effect on the global climate?

Banning plastic bags at grocery store checkouts. But still allowing the store to sell their plastic kitchen garbage bags, and policy to only pickup recycling if it’s in a clear plastic bag instead of the old reusable blue bins.

And everything I buy from the store is encased in plastic (bananas! eggs! bread!).

Re: Earth likely briefly passed critical warming threshold on Friday and Saturday

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Post by CalRobert »

snehk wrote: post #15

Welp. Time for a conference we all fly to using private jets to tell the plebs how it's their doing that's destroying the planet. Maybe agree on a tax or something that screws over the little guy while having absolutely no effect on the global climate.

Do you have a source to support your claim that a carbon tax, which is generally seen as an efficient way to reduce carbon emissions, would have no effect on the global climate and screw over the little guy?

I ask as a renter who doesn't own a car and would love to stop paying for other people's fancy electric SUV's and house retrofits that costs tens of thousands of Euro.

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