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Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Probably a hot take: we should let democratically elected leaders be the guardians of superintelligence. You don't need to be technical at all to grapple with the implications of AI on humanity. It's a humanity question, not a tech question.

Yeah Trump should be the guardian of the superintelligence.

Make sure to not elect him then.

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Microsoft gutting OpenAI's workforce would really make no sense. All it would do is slow down their work and slow down the value and return on investment for Microsoft. Even if every single OpenAI employee demands $1m/yr (which would be absurd, but let's assume), that would still be less than $1bn/yr total, which is significantly less than the $13bn that MSFT has already invested in OpenAI. It would probably be one o…

Microsoft has already done major layoffs over the last year of their own employees. Why wouldn’t they lay off OpenAI employees?

You're basically asking "why would a company lay off employees in one business unit and not another?"

To which the answer is completely obvious: it depends on how they view the ROI potential of that business unit.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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> We're going around in circles I think but to me it is evident that a somewhat competent board that intends to fire the CEO of the company they are supposed to be governing will have a handy set of items ready: a valid reason, minutes of the meeting where all of this was decided, the 'green light' from legal as to whether that reason constitutes sufficient grounds for the dismissal. Those are pre-requisites. I think…

> I think the difference here is that I am fine with your belief that this is what a competent board should have, but I don't think this opinion is the same as actually establishing a legal duty. I don't think we'll be able to hash this out simply because too many of the pieces are missing. But if the board didn't have those items handy and they end up being incompetent then that by itself may end up as enough ground…

It's pretty standard to get DAO insurance which covers errors, omissions, and negligence, as a board member.

At any rate, we don't know that the board doesn't have those minutes. I see no reason to assume they've failed duty of care.

And being a non-profit does, in fact, give the board sole right to so much as dissolve the entire company and donate the proceeds to Anthropic if they decide in five minute zoom call, of their own discretion, that doing so aligns best with mission statement in its charter.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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If anything has become clear after all this is that humanity is not ready for being the guardian of superintelligence. These are supposed to be the top masterminds behind one of the most influential technologies of our lifetime, and perhaps history, and yet they're all behaving like petty children, with egos and personal interests pulling in all directions, and everyone doing their best to secure their piece of the p…

I'm not sure how people reach this sentiment. Humans strike me as being awesome, especially compared to other species. I feel like there is a general sentiment that nature has it figured out and that humans are disrupting nature. But I haven't been convinced that is true. Nature seems to be one big gladiatorial ring where everything is in a death match. Nature finds equilibrium through death, often massive amounts of…

I don't see how you can look at global warming, ocean acidification, falling biodiversity and other global trends and how little action is being done to slow these ill effects and not arrive at that sentiment. Yes, the world has scientists saying "hey, this is happening, maybe we should do something" but the lack of money into solutions shows the interest just isn't there. Being the smartest species on the planet isn't that impressive. It's possible we are just smart enough to cause our own destruction, and no smarter.

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That's why there's an Ollama option ;)

How do you run this on the various platforms for the average bear? A lot of people who could use it may need an app, like not be capable of getting and running it from source on GitHub. We have to push accessibillity to the techy and not-techy alike for we all live and walk amongst each other and this is the emotional equivalent of vaccination in my conjecture.

I'm sure local GUI clients will be available soon for the average user to boot up local LLM servers

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How do you run this on the various platforms for the average bear? A lot of people who could use it may need an app, like not be capable of getting and running it from source on GitHub. We have to push accessibillity to the techy and not-techy alike for we all live and walk amongst each other and this is the emotional equivalent of vaccination in my conjecture.

I'm sure local GUI clients will be available soon for the average user to boot up local LLM servers

K like I'm sort of techy not super and you've already lost me. We need to Signal this shit.

1)Visit site. 2)Download app installer 3)Install. 4)Open/run.

No servers, SSH, intranet, local/remote, assorted technical jargon etc. We gotta make it REAL easy lol :)

Love ya

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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If anything has become clear after all this is that humanity is not ready for being the guardian of superintelligence. These are supposed to be the top masterminds behind one of the most influential technologies of our lifetime, and perhaps history, and yet they're all behaving like petty children, with egos and personal interests pulling in all directions, and everyone doing their best to secure their piece of the p…

It's lucky that AI is not super intelligent then.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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I think the board did the right thing, just waaaay too late for it to be effective. They’d been cut out long ago and just hadn’t realized it yet. … but I’d probably sign for exactly those good-career-move reasons, at this point. Going down with the ship isn’t even going to be noticed, let alone change anything.

Agreed. Starting from before the anthropic exodus, I suspect the timeline looks like: (2015) Founding: majority are concerned with safety (2019) For profit formed: mix of safety and profit motives (majority still safety oriented?) (2020) GPT3 released to much hype, leading to many ambition chasers joining: the profit seeking side grows. (2021) Anthropic exodus over safety: the safety side shrinks (2022) chatgpt relea…

I don't think this has anything to do with safety. The board members voting Altman out all got their seats when Open AI was essentially a charity and those seats were bought with donations. This is basically the donors giving a big middle finger to everyone else trying to get rich off of their donations while they get nothing.

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> which he - just as surprising - so far has not done There were so many conflicts of interests at that firm, I'm not unsurprised by it, either. > I don't see anything from the board that would suggest that they acted with the kind of forethought and diligence required of a board We don't know the back-and-forth that led up to this. That's why I'm curious about how quiet one side has been, while the other seemingly l…

Agreed, there are a ton of people that should have exercised more caution and care. But it is first and foremost the board's actions that have brought OpenAI to the edge of the abyss and that wasn't on the table a month ago. That that can have consequences for the parties that caused it seems to me to be above question, after all, you don't become board members of a non-profit governing an entity worth billions just…

The OpenAI nonprofit it not on the edge of the abyss and the board has brought it no closer to being there. If the board thinks the mission of "bringing about AGI which benefits all of humanity unrestricted by concerns of generating revenue" is not best served by productizing LLMs into revenue generating products then a mass resignation of its wholly controlled for profit subsidiary saves them the trouble and cost of a mass layoff.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Agreed, there are a ton of people that should have exercised more caution and care. But it is first and foremost the board's actions that have brought OpenAI to the edge of the abyss and that wasn't on the table a month ago. That that can have consequences for the parties that caused it seems to me to be above question, after all, you don't become board members of a non-profit governing an entity worth billions just…

The OpenAI nonprofit it not on the edge of the abyss and the board has brought it no closer to being there. If the board thinks the mission of "bringing about AGI which benefits all of humanity unrestricted by concerns of generating revenue" is not best served by productizing LLMs into revenue generating products then a mass resignation of its wholly controlled for profit subsidiary saves them the trouble and cost of…

The board has a massive conflict of interest in that they are also controlling all of the other entities and that alone means that they can't hide behind the purported mission of the non-profit. And even then they may well have to explain to a judge why they thought this hastily taken decision was in line with that mission. I don't see it happening.

But all of that has already been covered upthread. Multiple times.

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