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Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Post by hartator »

code_runner wrote: post #785
hartator wrote: post #617

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> But to boil it down to autocomplete is just totally disingenuous. It is though from Ilya's own words: "We weren't expecting that just finding the next word will lead to something intelligent; ChatGPT just finds the next token" Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI4Tpi48DlA

if you'd like to take a quote out of context in order to equate two different technologies, you just go to town.

Ilya says it's pretty clear that a very very smart autocomplete leads to intelligence.

OP was using the word autocomplete as a pejorative, but it's actually not and it is the strategy LLMs are pursuing.

The example that Ilya's was using: If you feed the LLMs a mystery murder novel and it is able to autocomplete "The killer is" from just clues, you have achieved intelligence.

Nothing wrong with autocomplete being AGI.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Post by Mistletoe »

chii wrote: post #734
nprateem wrote: post #401

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In favour of the CEO who was about to make them fabulously wealthy. FTFY.

and there aint nothing wrong with wanting to be fabulously wealthy.

Greed is good, eh Gordon Gekko?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=VVxYOQS6ggk

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Post by ideamotor »

neilv wrote: post #163
paulddraper wrote: post #18

As of 10am PT, 700 of 770 employees have signed the call for board resignation. [1] [1] https://twitter.com/joannejang/status/1726667504133808242

Given 90%, including leadership, seems a bad career move for remaining people not to sign, even if you agreed with the board's action.

Bingo. The fact they all felt compelled to sign this could just as easily be a sign the board made the right decision, as the opposite.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Post by kelipso »

abi wrote: post #726
imiric wrote: post #665

If anything has become clear after all this is that humanity is not ready for being the guardian of superintelligence. These are supposed to be the top masterminds behind one of the most influential technologies of our lifetime, and perhaps history, and yet they're all behaving like petty children, with egos and personal interests pulling in all directions, and everyone doing their best to secure their piece of the p…

Probably a hot take: we should let democratically elected leaders be the guardians of superintelligence. You don't need to be technical at all to grapple with the implications of AI on humanity. It's a humanity question, not a tech question.

Yeah Trump should be the guardian of the superintelligence.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Post by Xelynega »

bartread wrote: post #757
iteratethis wrote: post #705

I wish we could all just admit that this is a capital run, rather than some moralistic crusade. The employees want to get their big payday, so will follow Altman wherever he goes. Which is the smart thing to do anyway as he runs half the valley. The public discourse in which Sam is the hero is further cemented by the tech ecosystem, which nowadays is circling around AI. Those in the "OpenAI wrapper" game. Nobody has…

> The employees want to get their big payday Many of them will have invested years of their life, during which they will have worked incredibly hard, and probably sacrificed life outside of work for their jobs in hopes of that payday to give them the freedom to do what they want to do next: you can hardly blame them. True riches isn't money, but discretionary time. Unfortunately that discretionary time often costs qu…

So they're mad that they decided to work for a company that was ultimately controlled by a non-profit that wasn't aligned with their interests?

Not to "victim blame", but they could have googled what a "non-profit" was and read the mission statement before accepting the job offer.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Post by code_runner »

hartator wrote: post #791
code_runner wrote: post #785

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if you'd like to take a quote out of context in order to equate two different technologies, you just go to town.

Ilya says it's pretty clear that a very very smart autocomplete leads to intelligence. OP was using the word autocomplete as a pejorative, but it's actually not and it is the strategy LLMs are pursuing. The example that Ilya's was using: If you feed the LLMs a mystery murder novel and it is able to autocomplete "The killer is" from just clues, you have achieved intelligence. Nothing wrong with autocomplete being AGI.

yeah, when I think of autocomplete I definitely think of predicting the next thing a person is going to type, which is related but basically equivalent to "a horse and a plane to both get to a destination, whats the difference" in my mind.

If you're going to speak so abstractly you really lose the forest for the trees IMO. I do like the murder mystery example

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Post by xsmasher »

Solvency wrote: post #583
Applejinx wrote: post #547

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Gordon Ramsey quit Aubergine over business differences with the owners and had his whole staff follow him to a new restaurant. I'm not going to say Sam Altman is a Gordon Ramsay. What I will say is that they both seem to have come from broken, damaged childhoods that made them what they are, and that it doesn't automatically make you a good person just because you can be such an intense person that you inspire loyalt…

Aaand there you have it: cargo culting in full swing.

I don't think you mean cargo culting. Cult of personality?

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Post by eggsmediumrare »

dingnuts wrote: post #30
paulddraper wrote: post #22

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> are building AGI Well, probably not anymore.

they were never any closer to building AGI than they were to inventing a perpetual motion machine

One violates the laws of physics and the other does not. In fact, you have one behind your nose.

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Post by paradite »

bcherry wrote: post #733
paradite wrote: post #718

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I wouldn't attribute to greed for something sufficiently explained by emotions and loyalty. Their CEO who was doing well as far as anyone can tell, was removed forcibly. It is natural to feel strongly about it.

I think the dispute hinges on what it means to be "doing well". In most companies, you can at least all point to the same thing, even if you disagree on how you get there: creating shareholder value. But in this case, the company was doing things that could be seen as good from a shareholder value perspective, but the board has a different priority. It seems they may think that the company was not working on the righ…

I've worked for two companies with a board and a CEO. I think generally employees listen to and interact with CEO more than the board.

Some of them probably don't know who's on the board before Saturday, like the rest of us.

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