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Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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He's part of the EA community which Moskovitz funded. He was even named in Yudkowsky's warcrime of a Harry Potter fanfic [0][1] [0] - https://www.404media.co/new-openai-ceo-emmett-shear-was-mino... [1] - https://hpmor.com/chapter/104?ref=404media.co

Why is Yudkowsky's HPMOR a "warcrime"?

I find it really good but if you don't like rationality/EY it's really easy to latch on as something to hate (overly smart fanfic does sound cringe on the face of it).

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Can anyone explain why when I go to https://twitter.com/sama I don't see the linked tweet, but if I navigate to https://twitter.com/sama/status/1726594398098780570 I can? Is this a nuance of like tweets being privatable? Or deleted tweets remaining directly navigable? Sorry probably something basic about how twitter functions.

It's there. There are 3 posts (not tweets anymore) and then there's that one.

Does it require being logged in to see?

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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A thing a sad, understated ongoing is that so many people are throwing vitriol at Ilya right now. If the speculation here is true, then he just chased by a mob over pure nonsense (well, at least purer than the nonsense premise beforehand). Gotta love seeing effective altruists take another one on the chin this year though.

Does this whole thing remind anyone else of the tech community’s version of celebrity gossip?

TechCrunch should be at the forefront with coverage, but their glory days is far behind it. And Valleywag is gone. So I guess it's up to us to gossip on our own.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Does this whole thing remind anyone else of the tech community’s version of celebrity gossip?

Absolutely. It is borderline salacious. Honestly didn't feel too good watching so many people opine on matters they had no real data on and insult people; also the employees of openai announcing matters on twitter or wtv in tabloid style. I hope people apologize to Ilya for jumping to conclusions.

Yes, it was especially weird to read this on HN to such a big extend. The comments were (and are) full of people with very strong opinions, based on vague tweets or speculation. Quite unusual and hopefully not the new norm...

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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A thing a sad, understated ongoing is that so many people are throwing vitriol at Ilya right now. If the speculation here is true, then he just chased by a mob over pure nonsense (well, at least purer than the nonsense premise beforehand). Gotta love seeing effective altruists take another one on the chin this year though.

This is why I detest YC (despite taking part in salicious gossip on here due to my social media addiction). A couple YC friends of mine have been very explicit about how they detest the conspiratorial YC hivemind.

Oh, let us have our fun. The industry's cooled off with the end of ZIRP and the coming holidays so people need the illusion that things are happening.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Agreed. Starting from before the anthropic exodus, I suspect the timeline looks like: (2015) Founding: majority are concerned with safety (2019) For profit formed: mix of safety and profit motives (majority still safety oriented?) (2020) GPT3 released to much hype, leading to many ambition chasers joining: the profit seeking side grows. (2021) Anthropic exodus over safety: the safety side shrinks (2022) chatgpt relea…

Wait, the Anthropic folks quit because they wanted more safety?

Why do you find this so surprising? You make it sound as if OpenAI is already outrageously safety focused. I have talked to a few people from anthropic and they seem to believe that OpenAI doesn't care at all about safety.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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https://twitter.com/sama/status/1726594398098780570

Can anyone explain why when I go to https://twitter.com/sama I don't see the linked tweet, but if I navigate to https://twitter.com/sama/status/1726594398098780570 I can? Is this a nuance of like tweets being privatable? Or deleted tweets remaining directly navigable? Sorry probably something basic about how twitter functions.

You're logged out -- by default for logged out users, account pages will show "top tweets" not "recent tweets"

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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What is unclear to me is what Microsoft has access to and can use from OpenAI. If OpenAI implodes or somehow survives independently, would this mean that the former employees that are now at Microsoft have to re-implement everything? Clearly Microsoft has a massive financial stake in OpenAI, but do they own IP? The software? The product? The service? Can they simply "fork" OpenAI as a whole, or are there limitations?

My understanding is that their agreement was that they had full access and rights to everything, up to but specifically _not_ including anything resulting in the development of a real general purpose AI.

At the very least, they have all the model weights and architecture design work.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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He will most likely join M$ if the board does not resign, because there is no better move to him then. But he leaves time to the board to see it, adding pressure together with the empoyees. It does not mean he is bluffing (what would be a better move in this case instead?)

All the employees threatening to leave depends on him actually becoming a Microsoft employee. That hasn't happened yet. So everyone is waiting for confirmation that he's indeed an employee because otherwise it just looks like a bluff.

People are waiting for the board decision. It is in Microsoft's interested to return Sam to OpenAI. ChatGPT is a brand at this point. And OpenAI controls bunch of patents and stuff.

But Sam will 100% hired by Microsoft if that won't work. Microsoft has no reason not to.

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