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Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Post by Arson9416 »

The fact that these people aren't currently willing to "rewind the clock" about a week shows the dangers of human ego. Nothing permanent has been done that can't be undone fairly simply, if all parties agree to undo it. What we're watching now is the effect of ego momentum on decision making.

Try it. It's not a crazy idea. Put everything back the way it was a week ago and then agree to move forward. It will be like having knowledge of the future, with only a small amount of residual consequences. But if they can do it, it will show a huge evolutionary leap forward in ability of organizations to self-correct.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Post by jader201 »

paulddraper wrote: post #18

As of 10am PT, 700 of 770 employees have signed the call for board resignation. [1] [1] https://twitter.com/joannejang/status/1726667504133808242

Are we aware of a timeline for this? E.g. when will people start quitting if the board doesn’t resign?

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Post by MattPalmer1086 »

I_Am_Nous wrote: post #26
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #6

Folks who do not have the wisdom to see the consequences of their actions 3 days out, are building AGI. God help us all.

Longtermism strikes again! Somehow the future is considered more important to think about than the steps we need to take today to reach that future. Or any future, really.

Yep, thinking days ahead is sooooo long term! We need high frequency strategy!

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Post by imperialdrive »

paulddraper wrote: post #18

As of 10am PT, 700 of 770 employees have signed the call for board resignation. [1] [1] https://twitter.com/joannejang/status/1726667504133808242

Their app was timing out like crazy earlier this morning, and now appears to be down. Anyone else notice similar? Not surprising I guess, but what a Monday to be alive.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Post by swatcoder »

mgfist wrote: post #40
Eumenes wrote: post #4

The media circus around this reminds me of Taylor Swift and her new boyfriend. There is more than one "AI" company. Very bizarre.

Can't be serious? This isn't just "a" AI company, it's the AI company. And it might not exist next week if the board doesn't resign.

Right from the launch of ChatGPT, many have seen OpenAI as the MySpace or AltaVista of this new wave of generative systems -- first to break the market open but probably not suited to hold their position at the top.

It's exciting to see what they've productized in this first year, but the entire landscape of companoes and products was already sure to look different in another few.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Post by hutzlibu »

ianhawes wrote: post #27
shmatt wrote: post #2

A few things come to mind: * Emmett Shear should have put in a strong golden parachute in his contract, easy money if so * Yesterday we had Satya the genius forcing the board to quit. This morning it was Satya the genius who acquired OpenAI for $0. Im sure there will be more if sama goes back. So if sama goes back - lets hear it, why is Satya a genius?

Even if Sam @ MSFT was a massive bluff, Satya is in a win-win-win scenario. OpenAI can't exactly continue doing anything without Azure Compute. OpenAI implodes? Bought the talent for virtually nothing. OpenAI 2.0 succeeds? Cool, still invested. I think in reality, Sam @ MSFT is not an instant success. Even with the knowledge and know-how, this isn't just spinning up a new GPT-4-like model. At best, they're ~12 months…

The loss here might be that the brand is a bit damaged in terms of stability and people are more looking for and investing in alternatives.

But as long as ChatGPT is and remains ahead as a product, they should be fine.

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Post by cma »

narinxas wrote: post #55
SilverBirch wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it even possible for that to happen? The entity that governs OpenAI is a registered charity with a well defined purpose, it would seem odd for it to be able to just say "Actually, screw our mission let's just sell everything valuable to this for-profit company". A big part of being a 501(c)(3) is being tax exempt, difficult to see the IRS being ok with this. Even if they were the anti-trust implications are huge,…

they already signed it over when their for-profit subsidiary made a deal with Microsoft

supposedly capped-profit, though if a non-profit can create a for-profit or a capped-profit, I don't see why it couldn't convert a capped-profit to fully for-profit.
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