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I am assuming your asking where I'd go, and the honest answer is that I do not yet know but I won't raise my kids in todays Sweden, that is for sure.
Gang crisis shaking Sweden
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Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden
#362Western Europe has lost its raison d'etre, and is committing harakiri.
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#363It's not a good idea to take in massive amounts of poor and uneducated refugees from distant cultures, give them free money and housing, and then just leave them be. That's not a real migration policy, it's just a recipe for creating a segregated society. The Swedish welfare state has certainly taken care of the basic needs of the migrants, but it hasn't really worked well at actual integration, and creating social m…
> It's not a good idea to take in massive amounts of poor and uneducated refugees from distant cultures, give them free money and housing, and then just leave them be. Literally the founding story of European Australia .. the bulk of poor uneducated landed here had criminal records to boot. Still, they were given work to pass the time and after a few decades 'free' land (well, other peoples land). These days modern A…
not everyone who went to the Oz was a criminal -- tho plenty were.
there was a gold rush and for a while Melbourne was the largest city in the British Empire. plenty of actual "try my luck in the new world" folks landed, both in the 1800s and later.
Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden
#364Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you show me a christian one? A liberal democracy without horrors of genocide and colonialism in its past? If we're meant to respect europeans despite their atrocities you must return the favor.
Technically, there’s no “Christian country” in this era because the religion adheres to separation of church and state, unlike Islam where we can find many theocracies. But, to call a list of successful democracies where the majority identify as Christians of some sort and without colonialism in its past; Norway Switzerland Denmark Liechtenstein Oh, Sweden too. And it’s funny why you specifically mentioned without pa…
Sweden had colonies in north America and the Caribbean. Denmark still controls Greenland. Sweden and Norway are both colonizers in the US way, expanding boarders by stealing land from the indigenous people (Sami) etc
Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden
#365Shootings occur in all kinds of areas in the major cities, but also in smaller towns. Sweden has also had a worrying number of bombs outside stairwells in residential areas and in detached houses. Therefore, the problems are not only concentrated in marginalized areas or what the Swedish Police call, particularly vulnerable areas. Per capita, Sweden has twice as many gang members as Mexico but you can hardly compare…
Next time some article about shootings in the US or shows up on HN, will people remember these exact points? So many probably mostly Europeans and Australians have a completely unrealistic views on actual risk of getting harmed by guns in the US. Yes, they have many shootings there but just like in Sweden or pretty much anywhere in "the west" with gun violence, it is mostly criminals shooting each other not terrorist…
> it is mostly criminals shooting each other not terrorists
Nobody is born a criminal. Gang violence is expanding like a plague because of the collapse of society / government / whatever you want to call it in the lives of young people. A young person (usually adolescent) who is victimized by criminal gangs (and they need victims to exist) will not receive any protection or help from neither the police, the military, the schools, parents, family or anybody. Usually they're told just to take it and keep their head down. Criminals exploit boys by having them run errands or just squeeze them for money, girls are instead exploited sexually.
The civil society has nothing but bottomless contempt and even outright hatred towards teenage boys, so there is no dignified route of life for them unless they come from one of the few families that care for their future. Joining a gang becomes the easy way for them to find some dignity and respect among their peers and even in civil society. This has been going on for decades among the poorest in places such as the US, but now it happens to "middle-class" boys in Sweden and other places, because this middle class would rather see their own children be victimized or killed than make any effort to pass on their middle-class status to their kids. So it's not "mostly criminals shooting each other".
Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden
#366Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you offer some specifics? In what parts of Swedish society is this degradation most acute?
Please note that these are my own experiences and anecdotes, but I think they answers your questions. The free healthcare and elderly care used to be quite fast and humane. The very professional healthcare is still available for those with serious illnesses, but it's very difficult getting an appointment for more benign problems, dentist appointments, etc. The elderly care has changed so it's now almost a luxury to b…
The schools were reformed to death, it seems almost intentional if you take a step back and observe; all the good teachers have likely left by now.
Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden
#367Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think that if you had a specific and defensible point about immigration policy you would have put it here. What you actually put takes great care to be so indirect that you cannot even be identified as having a specific position, let alone one that can be discussed in a rational way. Given the number of words you spent on it I'd guess that means it's either unserious or unsavory, and don't really care to parse whic…
An example: > In this chapter I am going to demonstrate that Arab education, in all its various forms, teaches the values of the dominant Arab culture. Education in the Arab world, both formal and informal, constantly seeks to mold the actions and thinking of the individual along the lines of the culturally regular patterns of behavior described in Chapter 17. > >>. It isn’t found in the formal curriculum. You won’t…
I asked you to be specific about who and why and you still have not done that.
I am getting from this that you aren't keen on schooling based on conformism and that you believe Arab schools teach conformism. Leaving aside the question of whether that position has merit, what would you do with that information?
Would you ban immigration by Arabs? From Arabic countries? By people educated in Arabic schools, who may not be Arabs and may not come from Arabic countries? What about ethnic minorities in Arabic countries like the Kurds in Iraq, who maintain a parallel school system? What about individuals schooled in conformance-centric religious schools in the US, or in non-Arab conformist cultures like Japan?
Spell out what you're trying to do.
Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden
#368Earlier quoted context omitted.
Technically, there’s no “Christian country” in this era because the religion adheres to separation of church and state, unlike Islam where we can find many theocracies. But, to call a list of successful democracies where the majority identify as Christians of some sort and without colonialism in its past; Norway Switzerland Denmark Liechtenstein Oh, Sweden too. And it’s funny why you specifically mentioned without pa…
Sweden had colonies in north America and the Caribbean. Denmark still controls Greenland. Sweden and Norway are both colonizers in the US way, expanding boarders by stealing land from the indigenous people (Sami) etc
Unlike the Islamic countries that live eternally peacefully with their neighbors I guess..not slaughtering each other like barbarians.
Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden
#369Earlier quoted context omitted.
Next time some article about shootings in the US or shows up on HN, will people remember these exact points? So many probably mostly Europeans and Australians have a completely unrealistic views on actual risk of getting harmed by guns in the US. Yes, they have many shootings there but just like in Sweden or pretty much anywhere in "the west" with gun violence, it is mostly criminals shooting each other not terrorist…
> it is mostly criminals shooting each other not terrorists Nobody is born a criminal. Gang violence is expanding like a plague because of the collapse of society / government / whatever you want to call it in the lives of young people. A young person (usually adolescent) who is victimized by criminal gangs (and they need victims to exist) will not receive any protection or help from neither the police, the military,…
It’s the same story everywhere, sadly. Thank God that matriarchies all crash & burn in 40 years, tops
Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden
#370Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's not a good idea to take in massive amounts of poor and uneducated refugees from distant cultures, give them free money and housing, and then just leave them be. Literally the founding story of European Australia .. the bulk of poor uneducated landed here had criminal records to boot. Still, they were given work to pass the time and after a few decades 'free' land (well, other peoples land). These days modern A…
not everyone who went to the Oz was a criminal -- tho plenty were. there was a gold rush and for a while Melbourne was the largest city in the British Empire. plenty of actual "try my luck in the new world" folks landed, both in the 1800s and later.
During the founding wave the bulk of the poor were convicts.
During the founding of non convict colonies (Adelaide, Perth, etc) there was the mega rich of the day - second sons shipping out with entire households to establish footholds and means of trade, and their servants (by the terms of the day these were people with a position and a wage albeit not great).
The trying their luck in a gold rush etc crowd came after the founding of the main colonies, some convict, a number not.
FWiW in my estimation "Had a criminal record" | "was a convict" is distinct from "was a criminal" - the first two are a matter of record, the third is more of a judgement call of character.
Many sent to Australia as convicts had character, ethics, a trade, and were victims of circumstance, poor economics, the wrong politics, the wrong class, etc. rather than being of some essential criminal character.