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Re: Revenge bedtime procrastination

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Post by ZeroSolstice »

wiseowise wrote: post #77
kd5bjo wrote: post #10

I take some issue with the "revenge" terminology, as it implies an unhealthy adversarial framing of the problem. Whenever I have had to deal with this myself, I've always chosen to view it as my subconscious prioritizing some kind of emotional need over my need for sleep. Viewed that way, the solution is obvious: Identify the emotional need that I've been neglecting and figure out how to satisfy it during the normal…

Lack of sleep is literally unhealthy.

Can you expand on your definition of "lack of sleep"? Since sleep is something that isn't uniformly measurable and is both relative and subjective to the individual what are you measuring to consider it lacking?

Sleep doesn't really work in the realm of arithmetic and there is no way to credit extra sleep because you slept in on Saturday so how can you "lack" sleep because you stayed up longer one night verse the previous night?

What if you did an extra exercise that day are you now lacking sleep because you exerted yourself more?

Re: Revenge bedtime procrastination

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Post by kd5bjo »

wiseowise wrote: post #77
kd5bjo wrote: post #10

I take some issue with the "revenge" terminology, as it implies an unhealthy adversarial framing of the problem. Whenever I have had to deal with this myself, I've always chosen to view it as my subconscious prioritizing some kind of emotional need over my need for sleep. Viewed that way, the solution is obvious: Identify the emotional need that I've been neglecting and figure out how to satisfy it during the normal…

Lack of sleep is literally unhealthy.

So it is, and I didn't mean to imply otherwise. But Hanlon's razor says that we should explore the explanation that people (or their subconscious) are incompetent at satisfying this need before moving on to the theory that they're doing it out of spite.

Re: Revenge bedtime procrastination

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Post by StimDeck »

wiseowise wrote: post #78
The_Colonel wrote: post #9

Framing it is a revenge doesn't make sense for me. It's more like I'm asserting myself as a real person with interests, not just obligation fulfillment machine.

Asserting against whom? Your sleep?

Do you have some monetary interest the sufferers in this thread seeking vengeance? In this and other comments you are antagonizing people who take exception to the connotations of the English word revenge being part of the title.

If you feel like it’s revenge in your case, great, please leave the rest of us alone.

Re: Revenge bedtime procrastination

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Post by elynde »

elynde wrote: post #30

Bedtime procrastination is my kryptonite. Every other habit like working hard, exercising, eating right I do well at but can't fix this. I've battled with it my whole life. Even as a toddler I would stay up late reading in secret. There is just something about the stillness when everyone else is asleep where I feel like my brain can finally wind down/process the day/kick back and relax. Anyone else struggled so badly…

Everyone telling me to accept it, I wish I could. Unfortunately the kids gotta get up and go to school!

Re: Revenge bedtime procrastination

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Post by ZeroSolstice »

kd5bjo wrote: post #82
wiseowise wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lack of sleep is literally unhealthy.

So it is, and I didn't mean to imply otherwise. But Hanlon's razor says that we should explore the explanation that people (or their subconscious) are incompetent at satisfying this need before moving on to the theory that they're doing it out of spite.

I agree with your point here. It is unclear to me how "lack of sleep" was derived from your initial comment. I'm hoping wiseowise can expand upon their mostly generic comment to clear the confusion.

Re: Revenge bedtime procrastination

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Post by mnemotronic »

I didn't understand what this was from the title, but as soon as I read the explanation I felt like the authors had been studying me. I don't need to explain or rationalize what I'm doing here -- I am doing it, consciously, intentionally while knowing the lack of sleep is bad for me. It's kinda like smoking -- suicide for control freaks.

Re: Revenge bedtime procrastination

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Post by elynde »

nunez wrote: post #72
elynde wrote: post #30

Bedtime procrastination is my kryptonite. Every other habit like working hard, exercising, eating right I do well at but can't fix this. I've battled with it my whole life. Even as a toddler I would stay up late reading in secret. There is just something about the stillness when everyone else is asleep where I feel like my brain can finally wind down/process the day/kick back and relax. Anyone else struggled so badly…

I bedtime procrastinated pretty badly. CBT-I helped a lot. It forces you to skip to a schedule. The schedule is completely set around the time that you want to get up. Or at least it forced me to; I was paying $300/mo for the privilege! Quitting Reddit helped a lot too. I wouldn't have done this had their leadership team decided to go hostile with their API access, but they did, so i did. It's been a great time-regai…

Didn’t realize CBT-I was also for bedtime procrastination (vs just insomnia). Would love to hear more about this.

Re: Revenge bedtime procrastination

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Post by yummypaint »

elynde wrote: post #30

Bedtime procrastination is my kryptonite. Every other habit like working hard, exercising, eating right I do well at but can't fix this. I've battled with it my whole life. Even as a toddler I would stay up late reading in secret. There is just something about the stillness when everyone else is asleep where I feel like my brain can finally wind down/process the day/kick back and relax. Anyone else struggled so badly…

If it can fit into your schedule try the flavor of biphasic sleep where you go to bed with everyone (or even a little early) then wake up 4 hours later for 2 hours or so max, then sleep another 4. It will give you your alone time, with a motivator to get to bed earlier as that is now a prerequisite. It has been proposed that this is closer to the "natural" human sleep cycle that people used before ubiquitous artificial light.
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