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Re: YouTube slows down video load times when using Firefox

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Post by squarefoot »

kjhgksjdfhg wrote: post #27
ayhanfuat wrote: post #3

From reddit discussion ( https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/17ywbjj/comment/k9... ): > To clarify it more, it's simply this code in their polymer script link: > setTimeout(function() { c(); a.resolve(1) }, 5E3); > which doesn't do anything except making you wait 5s (5E3 = 5000ms = 5s). You can search for it easily in https://www.youtube.com/s/desktop/96766c85/jsbin/desktop_pol...

I'm not even mad about Google making my artificially wait 5s for using firefox. I'm mad that such a big company with suposelly decent engineers, are making me wait 5s with literally a sleep, how is even possible to do such thing in such a rudimentary way? I would be like damn that was smart, this feels like, seriously this is the level?

At least they didn't rewrite the sleep code to do crypto mining.

Re: YouTube slows down video load times when using Firefox

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Post by kristopolous »

kjhgksjdfhg wrote: post #27
ayhanfuat wrote: post #3

From reddit discussion ( https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/17ywbjj/comment/k9... ): > To clarify it more, it's simply this code in their polymer script link: > setTimeout(function() { c(); a.resolve(1) }, 5E3); > which doesn't do anything except making you wait 5s (5E3 = 5000ms = 5s). You can search for it easily in https://www.youtube.com/s/desktop/96766c85/jsbin/desktop_pol...

I'm not even mad about Google making my artificially wait 5s for using firefox. I'm mad that such a big company with suposelly decent engineers, are making me wait 5s with literally a sleep, how is even possible to do such thing in such a rudimentary way? I would be like damn that was smart, this feels like, seriously this is the level?

Because it works.

Good engineering isn't about being obtuse and convoluted, it's about making stuff that works.

Re: YouTube slows down video load times when using Firefox

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Post by dschuetz »

csydas wrote: post #56
dschuetz wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For now. Google is working on making a premium internet based on their services that permeate the whole web which they plan to serve only to "trusted devices" running Chrome - I do not think this is going to work out well for them.

Is there maybe some road map or purpose statement on this? it’s not that i don’t believe that this is absolutely true (i’m sure it’s the wet dream of all SV companies…) but google’s offerings are so inconsistent that if that’s really their goal i just can’t see how they mean to get there. every answer to competition is a half baked answer in my experience and i truly just can’t see how google means to do this. google…

Oh yes, it's called WEI as in Web Environment Integrity -https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/25/google_web_environmen... some of its code landed in production Chrome, leading to an outcry. V3 Manifest and WEI are all part of Google's push to make Chrome mandatory to be able to use their services.

Re: YouTube slows down video load times when using Firefox

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Post by azalemeth »

On a completely related note, the UK's Competitions and Markets Authority has recently been flexing its muscles on digital markets. You may wish to know of this URL, specifically for reporting anti-competitive practices: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tell-the-cma-about-a-competition...

Re: YouTube slows down video load times when using Firefox

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Post by ulrikrasmussen »

bad_user wrote: post #35
ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I support the enforcement of anti-trust laws against Microsoft, but I am at the same time puzzled at how much Google is allowed to get away with. They are simultaneously maintaining the biggest browser platform while also being the biggest content and advertisement provider, AND they have a major influence on the development of web standards, AND they control the development of a major OS (Android) for accessing the…

The law you're mentioning is the “Digital Markets Act”, and it's a new law that will apply to Google, Apple, Amazon, Samsung and others, not having to do with any enforcement of “antitrust” laws upon Microsoft. https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/priorities-... Furthermore, are we talking about the same Microsoft that: 1. forced usage of Microsoft Edge, while also actively blocking circumvention mechanis…

I didn't mean to imply that they got preferential treatment, and I also didn't mean to defend what Microsoft has been doing, I just think what Google is doing is even worse. I meant that if Google is allowed to dominate control of the web like they do now, then I think there is a lack of laws to prevent them from continuing that dominance. This may not be because EU lawmakers have been bought or anything, just that they are ignorant towards the issue of a single market player gaining control of all parts of the web.

Re: YouTube slows down video load times when using Firefox

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Post by saiya-jin »

dschuetz wrote: post #17
ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #4

While the EU has recently forced Microsoft to allow users to uninstall pre-installed crapware, Google is apparently unhindered in their ongoing (and succeeding) mission to take control of all layers of the consumer-facing internet.

For now. Google is working on making a premium internet based on their services that permeate the whole web which they plan to serve only to "trusted devices" running Chrome - I do not think this is going to work out well for them.

Whatever their competition will be, sign me up now. I really like their products, the company itself and their philosophy not so much

Re: YouTube slows down video load times when using Firefox

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Post by enlyth »

vanderZwan wrote: post #42
enlyth wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without studying the minified code I wouldn't assume malice just yet, this could be just an inexperienced developer trying to lazily fix some browser-specific bug, or something that accidentally made it to production like you say

You think they let inexperienced developers touch the YT code base without proper code review? Even if that were the case, which is an extremely charitable assumption, that itself would be malice in my opinion.

> You think they let inexperienced developers touch the YT code base

Uh, yes? We were all inexperienced at some point. Just the linked file is like 300k lines of unminified code, I doubt it's all written by PHDs with 20 years of experience

Re: YouTube slows down video load times when using Firefox

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Post by Algent »

ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #4

While the EU has recently forced Microsoft to allow users to uninstall pre-installed crapware, Google is apparently unhindered in their ongoing (and succeeding) mission to take control of all layers of the consumer-facing internet.

Chrome have been the IE6 situation all over again for a while now, except this time it's possibly too late to walk back. They are pretty much done taking over the standard.
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