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If Google's Really Proud Of Google+, It Should Share Some Real User Figures

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Re: If Google's Really Proud Of Google+, It Should Share Some Real User Figures

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Post by Retric »

betterth wrote: post #19
capo wrote: post #6

As I see it 90% of Google+'s purpose is to get users to create profiles and then these popup within Google properties in the form of picture thumbnails when the user comments or uploads stuff, etc. Which is perfectly reasonable as almost all web apps now operate around user profiles (mostly Facebook's), what I find to be unreasonable however is the seemingly heightened intolerance some pundits have developed towards…

Did you read the article? Most of these pundits don't hate G+, or Google's business model here, or what they're doing with social. They hate the PR nonsense that Google's feels is neccesary to abstract away the fact that they're tiny compared to Facebook. I do too, it feels dishonest. You don't need to post the same numbers as Facebook. No one is expecting you to. So stop lying with statistics. It's like, Do No Evil…

Facebook is also tiny next to Facebook.

Pundits have confused social networking with Facebook to the point where playing games or up voting articles is social networking because that's something that Facebook does. Nobody considers XBox live a social networking site, but people do the same things on Facebook and that counts.

Re: If Google's Really Proud Of Google+, It Should Share Some Real User Figures

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Post by Steko »

freehunter wrote: post #3

First, Google has made moves to indicate that Google+ is not a finished product, or even a 1.0 release. Their recent overhaul shows that. Their lack of public APIs shows that. Secondly, Google has made it pretty clear that Google+ does not stand on its own. The "plus" is in the name after "Google". It's Google, plus. Google+ is just a frontend, an entry point. It's the Yahoo landing site for all of Google's services.…

"Google has made moves to indicate that Google+ is not a finished product, or even a 1.0 release."

Honestly I hope Google destroys FB but let's stop apologizing for their half finished releases. G+ was released 9 months ago. For 6 months they've defaulted new g-mail users to sign up for it. This is not a beta, full stop.

If it's unfinished, if there are no APIs, if they broke a lot of the custom apps that were made for their struggling social service with their month 9 redesign, those aren't things you make excuses for. Those are things you list as negatives.

Re: If Google's Really Proud Of Google+, It Should Share Some Real User Figures

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Post by whatusername »

barredo wrote: post #25
Aloisius wrote: post #23

When Facebook says it has over 800 million active users, it really seems to mean people who came into Facebook and used the service in some way in a given month. They seem to be logged in and somehow actively using their accounts. As I understand it, Facebook counts anyone who clicks a like button on any website as being an active user for the month too. It wouldn't shock me if, as non-Facebook user, if they counted…

No , they don't. Facebook is pretty serious about that: > • Monthly Active Users (MAUs). We define a monthly active user as a registered Facebook user who logged in and visited Facebook through our website or a mobile device, or took an action to share content or activity with his or her Facebook friends or connections via a third-party website that is integrated with Facebook, in the last 30 days as of the date of m…

" or took an action to share content or activity with his or her Facebook friends or connections via a third-party website that is integrated with Facebook"

Sounds like clicking a like button on a site.

Re: If Google's Really Proud Of Google+, It Should Share Some Real User Figures

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Post by sullivandanny »

betterth wrote: post #19
capo wrote: post #6

As I see it 90% of Google+'s purpose is to get users to create profiles and then these popup within Google properties in the form of picture thumbnails when the user comments or uploads stuff, etc. Which is perfectly reasonable as almost all web apps now operate around user profiles (mostly Facebook's), what I find to be unreasonable however is the seemingly heightened intolerance some pundits have developed towards…

Did you read the article? Most of these pundits don't hate G+, or Google's business model here, or what they're doing with social. They hate the PR nonsense that Google's feels is neccesary to abstract away the fact that they're tiny compared to Facebook. I do too, it feels dishonest. You don't need to post the same numbers as Facebook. No one is expecting you to. So stop lying with statistics. It's like, Do No Evil…

Thanks. Yes, exactly.

Re: If Google's Really Proud Of Google+, It Should Share Some Real User Figures

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Post by xxbondsxx »

whatusername wrote: post #33
barredo wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No , they don't. Facebook is pretty serious about that: > • Monthly Active Users (MAUs). We define a monthly active user as a registered Facebook user who logged in and visited Facebook through our website or a mobile device, or took an action to share content or activity with his or her Facebook friends or connections via a third-party website that is integrated with Facebook, in the last 30 days as of the date of m…

" or took an action to share content or activity with his or her Facebook friends or connections via a third-party website that is integrated with Facebook" Sounds like clicking a like button on a site.

Yes clicking, not just viewing. Google counts visiting Youtube (while logged in) as using Google+. These are completely different metrics.

Re: If Google's Really Proud Of Google+, It Should Share Some Real User Figures

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Post by tytso »

whatusername wrote: post #33
barredo wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No , they don't. Facebook is pretty serious about that: > • Monthly Active Users (MAUs). We define a monthly active user as a registered Facebook user who logged in and visited Facebook through our website or a mobile device, or took an action to share content or activity with his or her Facebook friends or connections via a third-party website that is integrated with Facebook, in the last 30 days as of the date of m…

" or took an action to share content or activity with his or her Facebook friends or connections via a third-party website that is integrated with Facebook" Sounds like clicking a like button on a site.

Or making a comment on a web site that uses Facebook as their comment engine. That doesn't mean anything about whether they are visiting the Facebook site itself....

Re: If Google's Really Proud Of Google+, It Should Share Some Real User Figures

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Post by abraham »

ry0ohki wrote: post #11
freehunter wrote: post #3

First, Google has made moves to indicate that Google+ is not a finished product, or even a 1.0 release. Their recent overhaul shows that. Their lack of public APIs shows that. Secondly, Google has made it pretty clear that Google+ does not stand on its own. The "plus" is in the name after "Google". It's Google, plus. Google+ is just a frontend, an entry point. It's the Yahoo landing site for all of Google's services.…

"Google+ is not and never will be (and never wanted to be) a Facebook" Tell that to my new Google+ Cover Photo.... Even if all of your points are valid, you must admit they keep releasing numbers trying to show it's this super fast growing network, and yet you can see just by the number of sites that have a G+ button, that people are not even engaging in that level of activity. Pinterest on the other hand, which has…

I knew Google+ wanted to be Facebook when I saw you could comment on posts.

Re: If Google's Really Proud Of Google+, It Should Share Some Real User Figures

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Post by abraham »

xxbondsxx wrote: post #36
whatusername wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" or took an action to share content or activity with his or her Facebook friends or connections via a third-party website that is integrated with Facebook" Sounds like clicking a like button on a site.

Yes clicking, not just viewing. Google counts visiting Youtube (while logged in) as using Google+. These are completely different metrics.

Not it isn't. If you visit https://www.facebook.com/media/video/ Facebook counts it. Google just hosts their videos on a different domain. It is still the same Google Account.
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