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Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by ascorbic »

bongodongobob wrote: post #728
wg0 wrote: post #671

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In time of Windows, around let's say mid 1990s, people thought Windows is irreplaceable. Now turns out Linux is the workhorse everywhere for running workloads or consuming content. Almost every programming language (other than Microsoft's own SDKs) gets developed on Linux, has first class support for Linux and Windows is always an afterthought. It has gone to that extent that to lure developers, Microsoft has to embe…

Linux isn't the workhorse in any business that isn't tech based. The dev bubble here is pretty strong. I've done IT for a couple MSPs now so I've seen 100s of different tech stacks. No one uses Linux for anything. ESXi for the hypervisors, various version of Windows server, and M365 for everything else. Graphics/marketing uses Macs sometimes but other than that, it's all Windows/MS. Seeing a Linux VM is exceeding rar…

I think GP is referring to servers. Linux may still be tiny on the desktop, but it dominates servers (and mobile)

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Post by tempusalaria »

lajawfe wrote: post #667
gzer0 wrote: post #576

@karpathy on Twitter: I just don’t have anything too remarkable to add right now. I like and respect Sam and I think so does the majority of OpenAI. The board had a chance to explain their drastic actions and they did not take it, so there is nothing to go on except exactly what it looks like. https://twitter.com/karpathy/status/1726289070345855126

I for one thought Karpathy would side with the core researchers and not the corpos. To me, this whole ordeal is a clash between profit motives of Sam vs Non Profit and Safety motives of OpenAI's original charter. I mean didn't HN hate when OpenAI changed their open nature and become completely closed and profit oriented? This could be the healing of the cancer that OpenAI brought to this field to make it closed as a…

He spent 5 years at Tesla backing up their self driving lies for money.

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Post by idontwantthis »

Auracle wrote: post #704
idontwantthis wrote: post #554

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But my point is what is it actually doing to reach out and touch someone in the doomsday scenario?

Nukes, power grids, planes, blackmail, etc. Surely you’ve seen plenty of media over the years that’s explored this.

What is “nukes” though? Like the missiles in silos that could have been networked decades ago but still require mechanical keys in order to fire? Like is it just making phone calls pretending to be the president and everyone down the line says “ok let’s destroy the world”?

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Post by rrrrrrrrrrrryan »

ytoawwhra92 wrote: post #455
rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #364

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If they didn't reinstate Sam, Microsoft already threatened to cut off all future funding from OpenAI, (they've only paid 1 out of 10 tranches so far), then sue them, then help Sam poach OpenAI talent at his next venture.

What's your source for that?

The Forbes article [1] from yesterday:

> The plan some investors are considering is to make the board consider the situation “untenable through a combination of mass revolt by senior researchers, withheld cloud computing credits from Microsoft, and a potential lawsuit from investors.

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkonrad/2023/11/18/openai-in...

Edit: Looks like Microsoft just hired Sam outright: https://twitter.com/satyanadella/status/1726509045803336122

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Post by Axsuul »

alsodumb wrote: post #51

I think Adam D'Angelo has a very strong conflict of interest and shouldn't have been on the board of OpenAI. I'm sure Quora views took a hit after ChatGPT. Not like Quora was any good before ChatGPT, they just managed to get to the top of Google results for a lot of common questions. Now, Poe by Quora was trying to go big on custom agents. The GPT Agents announcement on DevDay was a fundamental threat to Poe in many…

The number of board members should've increased alongside OpenAI's growth. Too few board members means the higher potential for corruptibility and too much power being held by each member. It makes no sense for OpenAI in the future to be worth $1T and a leader in AI while still being governed by a small inner circle.

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Post by [deleted] »

hef19898 wrote: post #442
hipadev23 wrote: post #349

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Anyone worth a shit will leave and go work with Sam. OpenAI will be left with a bunch of below average grifters.

What is it with all this personality cult about founders, CEOs and CTOs nowadays? I thpught the cult around Steve Jobs was, bad it pales in comparison to today. As soon as one person becomes more important than the team, as in the team starts to be structured around said person instead of with the person, that person should be replaced. Because otherwise, the team will not be functioning properly without the "star pl…

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Post by bayindirh »

alsodumb wrote: post #764
bmitc wrote: post #734

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How will they come up with the idea? One is an investor and the other is an infrastructure software engineer.

What idea are you talking about? They are not your classic founders coming up with an idea to join Y combinator. They build OpenAI for many years, they know what to do. It won't be hard for them to hire researchers and engineers, from OpenAI or other places. Questions like this makes me wonder if you are a troll. I won't continue this thread.

Being able to hire researchers and, even the top talent doesn't guarantee that they'll be the top company or even succeed at what they're building.

This is what I referred as "Cargo Cult AI". You can get the money, but money is not the only ingredient needed to make things happen.

edit: Looks like they won't have a brand new company next week, but joining an existing one.

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Post by famouswaffles »

mianos wrote: post #740
reissbaker wrote: post #643

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The board fired Altman for shipping too fast compared to their safety-ist doom preferences. The new interim CEO has said that he wants to slow AI development down 80-90%. Why on earth would you stay, if you joined to build + ship technology? Of course, some employees may agree with the doom/safety board ideology, and will no doubt stay. But I highly doubt everyone will, especially the researchers who were working on…

This is exactly why you would want people on the board who understand the technology. Unless they have some other technology that we don't know about, that maybe brought all this on, a GPT is not a clear path to AGI. That is a technical thing that to understand seems to be beyond most people without real experience in the field. It is certainly beyond the understanding of some dude that lucked into a great training s…

>Unless they have some other technology that we don't know about, that maybe brought all this on, a GPT is not a clear path to AGI.

So Ilya Sutskever, one of the most distinguished ML researchers of his generation does not understand the technology ?

The same guy who's been on record saying LLMs are enough for AGI ?

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Post by exitb »

fredoliveira wrote: post #759
exitb wrote: post #696

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Was Sutskever really that instrumental to OpenAI's success, if it was at all possible for him to be surprised at the direction the company is taking. It doesn't seem that he is that involved in the day-to-day operations.

Anyone asking this question has never gone through Ilya's achievements. He is quite brilliant, and clearly instrumental here. And Sam is amazing in his own way too, for sure.

I understand his achievements, but is he involved right now? Does he, nowadays, provide to the company anything other than his oversight?
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