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Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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For a change, maybe it'd be a good idea to get a CEO who at least has faint idea about how ML works on a technical level? Would you like a company that builds rockets to be led by some salesman who doesn't understand basic Physics? Probably not. You don't need to be Hinton or Schmidhuber, but come on, who thinks it's a good idea to have these typical "Silicon Valley VC CEOs" lead an AI company?

The trick is that execs do have unusually good insight into how their tech works, because they can ask their reports to explain it. Btw, I think it's funny how much credit Hinton gets for AI. His contribution is pretty much just keeping some grad students on the problem.

> I think it's funny how much credit Hinton gets for AI. His contribution is pretty much just keeping some grad students on the problem.

Yes, clearly overrated in terms of credit. Doing foundational work in the field going back to the 70s which laid the groundwork and inspired the resurgence of neural networks in the late 80s. Being a solid community organiser throughout his career and keeping neural network research alive through the more formal statistical methods dominating for over a decade. Supervising and thus raising many others who themselves contributed greatly to the explosion of neural network utility we have seen since around 2010 until now. Should I carry on?

I think it is absolutely clear that Hinton has contributed plenty enough to get a massive amount of credit for where we are today. The kind of mentality at display here is akin to ahistoricity on the level of saying that Gordon Moore "just started a company" after Apple released the M1 under the delusion that there is not a direct lineage between what we have today and breakthroughs and efforts in the past. Believe it or not, but we stand on the shoulders of giants and cutting them some slack is not the same as downplaying the impact of people more active in the present day; that are gradually becoming future giants.

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A take oft-said but not oft-discussed decently: where is Google? A whole year after ChatGPT and all we have is a limping-along Bard? Still shocks me. "May you live in interesting times" indeed. I really truely always assumed it was a given that Google would lead the AI future - but...here we are, the talk of the town and Google isn't anywhere.

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It is quite clear the true purpose of OpenAI is the exact opposite of the name, meaning it is to run ahead of the curve, understand the impact of developments, and ensure they are locked away by any means necessary at least until they can be exploited by groups represented by the board.

Altman was trying to play this game in parallel with commercialization, which brings a whole pile of conflicting groups into the picture. People have utterly underestimated the depth of interest represented by the board.

It is highly amusing how many of the EA cult are on each side, and how both will portray whatever they are pursuing entirely for personal goals as for the greater good when in reality no one has a clue.

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I think he's not as known in the outside world but it's really difficult to understate the amount of social capital sama has in the inner circles of Silicon Valley. It sounds like he did a good job instilling loyalty as a CEO as well, but the SV thing means that the more connected someone at the company is to the SV ecosystem, the more likely they like him/want to be on his good side. This is kind of like the leaders…

So it's a big deal because he has a cult of personality?

It’s a big deal because he’s extremely charismatic and well connected and that matters much, much more for a tech company’s success than some programmers like to think.

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@karpathy on Twitter: I just don’t have anything too remarkable to add right now. I like and respect Sam and I think so does the majority of OpenAI. The board had a chance to explain their drastic actions and they did not take it, so there is nothing to go on except exactly what it looks like. https://twitter.com/karpathy/status/1726289070345855126

I for one thought Karpathy would side with the core researchers and not the corpos. To me, this whole ordeal is a clash between profit motives of Sam vs Non Profit and Safety motives of OpenAI's original charter. I mean didn't HN hate when OpenAI changed their open nature and become completely closed and profit oriented? This could be the healing of the cancer that OpenAI brought to this field to make it closed as a…

But isn't Ilya's thing that open sourcing it is too dangerous?

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You can hate Elon Musk as much as you want, but he absolutely knows a decent amount of Physics and Material Science. That's what he studied and has always wanted to do before PayPal. He even get into a Material Science PhD at Stanford. He drove a lot of the engineering at both Tesla and SpaceX. And without that, probably none of these companies would've worked out.

he never got into stanford. he made that up. there is no record of his admittance. and court records show that stanford dean (under oath) had to admit that they couldn't locate them. do you have source on "drove a lot of engineering" claim? even if you worked at one of these, could you prove the other?

I think you got that backwards. There's a quote here[1] (sourced from court documents) from the director of admissions at Stanford that he was admitted:

> Dear Elon,

> As per special request from my colleagues in the School of Engineering, I have searched Stanford's admission data base and acknowledge that you applied and were admitted to the graduate program in Material Science Engineering in 1995. Since you did not enroll, Stanford is not able to issue you an official certification document.

> Sincerely, Judith Haccou, Director

[1] https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/54065/did-elon-...

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What is it with all this personality cult about founders, CEOs and CTOs nowadays? I thpught the cult around Steve Jobs was, bad it pales in comparison to today. As soon as one person becomes more important than the team, as in the team starts to be structured around said person instead of with the person, that person should be replaced. Because otherwise, the team will not be functioning properly without the "star pl…

While your post sounds like something that would be true, there are loads of examples of where companies have thrived under a clear vision from a specific person. The example of Steve Jobs used in the above post is probably a prime example - Apple just wouldn’t be the company it is today without that period of his singular vision and drive. Of course they struggled after losing him, but the current version of Apple t…

Newsflash. Altman is no Steve Jobs.

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Tip for builders: you can use the GPT APIs on Microsoft Azure. Managed reliably, nobody's quitting, no drama. Same APIs, just with better controls, global availability, and a very stable, reliable, and trustworthy provider. (disclosure: I work at Azure, but this is just my own observation).

You want me to trust M$ in all this? Embrace, extend, extinguish. Fellow nerds, you really need to go into work on Monday and have a hard chat with your C levels and legal (Because IANAL). The question is: Who owns the output of LLM/AI/ML tooling? I will give you a hint, it's not you. Do you need to copyright what a CS agent says, no, you want them on script as much as possible. An LLM parroting your training data is…

> Embrace, extend, extinguish.

Microsoft hasn't embraced that ideology in close to more than a decade by now. Might be the time to let go of the boomer compulsion.

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