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Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by nicce »

intellectronica wrote: post #536
mlindner wrote: post #501

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand what point you're trying to make. Yes Microsoft uses OpenAI APIs. What is the point you're trying to make beyond that? It's still OpenAI software.

Yes, the model weights were developed by OpenAI. They are licensed exclusively and irrevocably to Microsoft, and operated by Microsoft, not OpenAI. If you are building with these APIs and concerned that consuming them from OpenAI (which also runs them on Azure, but managed by OpenAI staff) because of the drama there, you can de-risk by consuming from Azure directly.

> They are licensed exclusively and irrevocably to Microsoft, and operated by Microsoft, not OpenAI.

No wonder why CEO got fired.

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Post by dminik »

bnralt wrote: post #289
hsrada wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Death. The default consequence of AGI's arrival is doom. Aligning a super intelligence with our desires is a problem that no one has solved yet. "The AI does not hate you, nor does it love you, but you are made out of atoms which it can use for something else." ---- Listen to Dwarkesh Podcast with Eliezer or Carl Shulman to know more about this.

> Aligning a super intelligence with our desires is a problem that no one has solved yet. It's a problem that we haven't seen the existence of yet. It's like saying no one has solved the problem of alien invasions.

We see alignment problems all the time. Current systems are not particularly smart or dangerous. But they lie on purpose and funnily enough considering the current situation, Microsoft's attempt was threatening users shortly after launch.

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by _fizz_buzz_ »

frabcus wrote: post #434

"I specifically say I’m in favor of slowing down, which is sort of like pausing except it’s slowing down. If we’re at a speed of 10 right now, a pause is reducing to 0. I think we should aim for a 1-2 instead." - Emmett Shear, Sep 16, 2023 https://twitter.com/eshear/status/1703178063306203397?t=8nHS...

Wouldn't simply others pick up the slack then?

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Post by ignoramous »

intellectronica wrote: post #536
mlindner wrote: post #501

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand what point you're trying to make. Yes Microsoft uses OpenAI APIs. What is the point you're trying to make beyond that? It's still OpenAI software.

Yes, the model weights were developed by OpenAI. They are licensed exclusively and irrevocably to Microsoft, and operated by Microsoft, not OpenAI. If you are building with these APIs and concerned that consuming them from OpenAI (which also runs them on Azure, but managed by OpenAI staff) because of the drama there, you can de-risk by consuming from Azure directly.

If folks care enough to move to Azure, I think they might as well derisk entirely from OpenAI models, despite its quality?

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Post by adastra22 »

frabcus wrote: post #434

"I specifically say I’m in favor of slowing down, which is sort of like pausing except it’s slowing down. If we’re at a speed of 10 right now, a pause is reducing to 0. I think we should aim for a 1-2 instead." - Emmett Shear, Sep 16, 2023 https://twitter.com/eshear/status/1703178063306203397?t=8nHS...

RIP OpenAI. You’ll be left in the dust.

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Post by b0tch7 »

ansk wrote: post #448

The contrast between the media's depiction of today's events with this outcome demonstrates how much Sam and his aligned interests can influence a narrative. The vast majority of reporting indicated that Sam held all the leverage, the board members were about to be fired, and a new board would be appointed which would be much better aligned with Sam. These accounts took special care to portray the current board as in…

The fact that this outcome occurred proves the board's resolve & determination (stubbornness?) but not much else.

some important questions: - if Ilya had 4:2, why not just sit Sam down and work all this out in private? - why has the board been completely unable to explain themselves to OAI employees? to the public? - why not take a more neutral "parting ways" tone? - latest reporting suggests that the board is doing this without any outside council (legal or professional network). it seems absolutely bonkers to risk funding sources eg MSFT on a decision like this.

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Post by rvba »

Is there anything (law, bylaws, valuation) that is used to decide how many people should be on the board of OpenAI?

It looks like the current board (4 people?) can do absolutely whatever they want and they report to nobody? Nobody can replace them?

Second question: in a hypothetical situation that they all died, who and how would pick the new board? The CEO? What if the CEO died too? I think a case like this happened after some helicopter crash in Australia - where everyone entered the same helicopter and died.

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Post by didibus »

ansk wrote: post #448

The contrast between the media's depiction of today's events with this outcome demonstrates how much Sam and his aligned interests can influence a narrative. The vast majority of reporting indicated that Sam held all the leverage, the board members were about to be fired, and a new board would be appointed which would be much better aligned with Sam. These accounts took special care to portray the current board as in…

I'm still surprised how little attention there has been on the fact that Sam Altman's sister is accusing him of sexually assaulting her when she was younger.

His own sister, even if it's not true, it reflects poorly to have this kind of relationship with your sister that she'd say this, and if it's true, it's very problematic.

And for some reason, very very little mention of this. I just find it suspicious from a media behavior point of view.

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