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Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by Palmik »

kromem wrote: post #28

Foundational AI companies fracturing is going to be good for the overall market. Just like Anthropic spinning off from OpenAI brought some very cool research (particularly liked the functional introspection vs node based stuff), Altman going into his own venture to compete will help diversify the overall space. And while many seem to be thinking this is going to bode poorly for OpenAI, I think perhaps long term it mi…

The default winners in this race, in the medium-term horizon (~18 months), are the existing incumbents: Alphabet, Microsoft, Meta. OpenAI was positioned to be able to compete. I am not sure a diluted OpenAI will be.

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Post by anupamchugh »

frabcus wrote: post #317
Tohhou wrote: post #179

Embarrassing for OpenAI.

On the contrary, it shows it is a non-profit. People keep denying it is and pretending it is a normal Silicon Valley startup. This demonstrates clearly it is a non-profit.

But the Board members of the non-profit company have been leveraging OpenAI's APIs in their other business endeavors -- like, Adam's Poe chatbot for Quora. More details on board's timeline:

https://loeber.substack.com/p/a-timeline-of-the-openai-board

Related read: https://www.techtris.co.uk/p/openai-set-out-to-show-a-differ...

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Post by Gigablah »

hipadev23 wrote: post #349
alex_young wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The heart tweet rebellion is about as meaningful as adding a hashtag supporting one side of your favorite conflict. Come on. “By 5 pm everyone will quit if you don’t do x”. Response: tens of heart emojis.

Anyone worth a shit will leave and go work with Sam. OpenAI will be left with a bunch of below average grifters.

Only on HN: your worth is tied to your choice of CEO.

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Post by ignoramous »

maxlin wrote: post #362
ignoramous wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read the paper linked above, and if you don't agree that's okay. There are many who don't.

Check it again, I think you might have misread the thing. It categorizes things in a way that clearly separates AlphaGO from even shooting towards "AGI". The "General" part of AGI can't really be skipped or words don't make any sense anymore.

Ah, gotcha; I meant "superintelligence" (which is ASI and not AGI).

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Post by ryanSrich »

cthalupa wrote: post #242
ryanSrich wrote: post #190

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Can someone explain to me what they mean by "safe" AGI? I've looked in many places and everyone is extremely vague. Certainly no one is suggesting these systems can become "alive", so what exactly are we trying to remain safe from? Job loss?

>Certainly no one is suggesting these systems can become "alive" No, that very much is the fear. They believe that by training AI on all of the things that it takes to make AI, at a certain level of sophistication, the AI can rapidly and continually improve itself until it becomes a superintelligence.

That's not alive in any meaningful sense.

When I say alive, I mean it's like something to be that thing. The lights are on. It has subjective experience.

It seems many are defining ASI as just a really fast self learning computer. And while sure, given the wrong type of access and motive, that could be dangerous. But it isn't anymore dangerous than any other faulty software that has access to sensitive systems.

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Post by dorkwood »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #7
extheat wrote: post #2

This is not a serious BOD. This is going to the courts, and it couldn't happen any sooner.

Who's gonna sue if there's no shareholders being that it's a non profit?

I thought they switched to a "capped profit" model, where investors are capped at a 100x return on investment.

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Post by Palmik »

yeck wrote: post #346
Palmik wrote: post #319

Emmett is a self-proclaimed AI doomer. Given some of his Tweets from the past, it's likely the board indeed wants someone who will takes things slower: https://archive.is/tuf3s https://archive.is/sNvvs This is probably not something you want to hear as a researcher who is motivated by pushing the frontiers of our capabilities, nor as a researcher who is motivated by pushing their compensation.

I'd say it sounds like they want to go faster with research and slower with commercializing the outputs of the research.

Accelerating research on increasing reasoning / intelligence capabilities of AI? That is opposite of what Emmett seemed to advocate recently, so it would be strange to pick him as the CEO if they really wanted to accelerate that.

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Post by kiidev »

loveparade wrote: post #335
threeseed wrote: post #308

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You can hate Elon Musk as much as you want, but he absolutely knows a decent amount of Physics and Material Science. That's what he studied and has always wanted to do before PayPal. He even get into a Material Science PhD at Stanford. He drove a lot of the engineering at both Tesla and SpaceX. And without that, probably none of these companies would've worked out.

Another of Musk’s lies that keeps being propagated

“ In 1995, he was accepted to a PhD program in materials science at Stanford University.[64][65] However, Musk decided to join the Internet boom, dropping out two days after being accepted and applied for a job at Netscape”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk

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Post by anupamchugh »

_lvbh wrote: post #44

I’m glad people in this thread are supporting the OpenAI board in this decision. There seems to be too much celebrity worship around Altman from all the tech/crypto bros. Also, any new competition started by Altman would be good for the ecosystem in general.

FWIW, the board structure is more in the spotlight, especially Adam's, since Quora's Poe chatbot uses OpenAI's APIs. And on top of that, Sam was an investor in Quora (2018).
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