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Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

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Post by SR2Z »

jacquesm wrote: post #97
oldgradstudent wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just hiding the video. It was mainly the content of that video. And then we had all the other leaks. That they couldn't reliably distinguish children from adults, making them (even by their overly optimistic models) more dangerous to children than humans - which is why they started operating mostly at night, when there are few children. And then it was reported they had 1.5 employees per car in operations, r…

> And then it was reported they had 1.5 employees per car in operations, requiring support every 2-5 miles. Very surprising given that they've reported a disengagement every 95,000 miles last year. If true that alone should have disqualified them from being street legal.

"Support every 2-5 miles" = having a human on standby to deal with a situation that might soon require human intervention. According to Kyle, speaking as himself on HN, most of these support events don't result in the remote operator doing _anything_.

Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

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Post by patrick451 »

amacneil wrote: post #58

Since there is so much negativity in this thread, let me balance it with my take as someone who worked at Cruise for 5 years (left 3 years ago). Kyle is the smartest, most technically capable, driven person I have ever had the opportunity to work for. He had a deep technical understanding of the system, a great intuition for unnecessary complexity, and a constant desire to find and resolve engineering bottlenecks. An…

This really seems like a rose colored glasses take. Kyle promoted a move fast and break things culture. When I have talked with Cruise engineers, many of them use that exact phrase, and they are proud of it. That culture ended up breaking a women's face.

This in particular

> But I hope they can maintain their Silicon Valley culture and not succumb to becoming a complete GM outpost.

is the last thing Cruise or the AV industry needs. SV culture is suitable for cranking out CRUD apps. SV has no business trying to produce safety critical software.

Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

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Post by catgary »

ra7 wrote: post #22

To the surprise of no one. This is on the back of GM appointing a Chief Administrative Officer to “work with” the CEO after their recent controversies. One unfortunate accident (though Cruise was at fault for making it worse) has put the entire company in disarray. I suppose it’s the result of accumulation of so many minor issues in San Francisco and a lack of a strict safety culture. It feels like a repeat of Uber f…

Yeah, maybe I’m a gatekeeper, but he just seems to fundamentally lack the credentials I would expect for the CTO of a self-driving car company. I know, startup culture, hackers, blah blah blah. But seriously - had he ever worked in the automobile industry? Shipped a major AI product? Dealt with safety-critical systems?

Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

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Post by KerrAvon »

chpatrick wrote: post #61
monero-xmr wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No this will be cut off, likely it's the end. Self driving cars are extremely expensive, terrible business model, despite 20 years of promises of they still need babying by a team of humans in a tightly controlled area. Too much capital is necessary in the high interest rate environment. Waymo is probably going to die too.

Waymo works really well though.

What’s Waymo’s path to profitability?

Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

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Post by KerrAvon »

bigyikes wrote: post #65

Everyone laughed at Tesla for their gung-ho, vision-only approach. Only Waymo and Cruise will make it, they said. Will be very interesting to see who is left standing. Maybe Tesla will never crack self-driving, but an insolvent company definitely won't either.

Everyone is still laughing at Tesla for their vision-only approach.

Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

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Post by ssnistfajen »

SR2Z wrote: post #109
ssnistfajen wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Witholding the footage was more than just a mistake. If they are being this dishonest over something that wasn't even entirely their fault, what else could they be hiding? And no, most human drivers would easily detect a human being stuck under their vehicle within seconds.

A human driver would have probably been driving over the speed limit in this accident. All of these roads are 25 mph, and yet it's not uncommon to see traffic at 40 mph. There's a good chance the woman would have been _killed outright_ if it hadn't been a Cruise. Are we willing to accept strange and inhuman failure modes if they overall lead to better safety than human drivers?

Please just read on exactly what happened in the accident before making comments about irrelevant frill like the speed limit:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/woman-run-autono...

Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

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Post by [deleted] »

paul7986 wrote: post #99
amacneil wrote: post #58

Since there is so much negativity in this thread, let me balance it with my take as someone who worked at Cruise for 5 years (left 3 years ago). Kyle is the smartest, most technically capable, driven person I have ever had the opportunity to work for. He had a deep technical understanding of the system, a great intuition for unnecessary complexity, and a constant desire to find and resolve engineering bottlenecks. An…

Really loathed the tech bros attitude that Cruise came off I.e. trying to rapidly expand while their cars were totally not ready for prime time and showing such often in San Francisco. Trying to win the market at all costs like Uber tried which their irresponsible trying to kill it (win the market at all coss) behavior killed a pedestrian. I was afraid Cruise's similar behavior (noted many times here on HN) would pro…

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Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

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Post by boulos »

amacneil wrote: post #105
Exoristos wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not Windows laptops!

Not even kidding. They gave us a tour of their enterprise datacenter in Detroit and told us that cloud infrastructure was banned. At the time they had a plan to offer a complete in-house alternative to AWS. Meanwhile getting a single outbound port opened through their corporate firewall took several months.

Presumably you terrified them when you came to GCP :).
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