AI winter? More like AI blizzard.
Heatwave ?
Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise
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Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise
#32The situation at Cruise is so similar to OpenAI (political removal due to prioritizing success over safety) that the coincidental timing is almost contrived. At least in this case, Vogt is doing a clear resignation on his own terms.
I don't see the situations similar at all. Cruise is an extremely tough spot right now after its handling of the San Francisco accident, and it's nationwide pause of testing. OpenAI has been extremely successful but is having strategic disagreements within its non-profit board.
Is this the SF accident you mean? I hadn’t heard of it, but this seems not at all worrisome:
> At approximately 9:30 p.m. on October 2, a human-driven vehicle struck a pedestrian while traveling in the lane immediately to the left of a Cruise AV. The initial impact was severe and launched the pedestrian directly in front of the AV. The AV then braked aggressively to minimize the impact. The driver of the other vehicle fled the scene, and at the request of the police the AV was kept in place.
Why was cruise under fire for this?
Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise
#33Maybe they resigned thinking they would partner up with Altman
Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise
#34I’m guessing cruise is pretty much over. What’s really unfortunate is I worked with many people who worked with Kyle and no one had a single good thing to say about him. And I’ve often heard that before with people who knew other CEOs but they kinda grudgingly admitted they did what was needed to get it done. However over and over I just heard phrases like “lost” “aimless” and “confused mess” with Kyle and it never w…
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Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise
#35I’m guessing cruise is pretty much over. What’s really unfortunate is I worked with many people who worked with Kyle and no one had a single good thing to say about him. And I’ve often heard that before with people who knew other CEOs but they kinda grudgingly admitted they did what was needed to get it done. However over and over I just heard phrases like “lost” “aimless” and “confused mess” with Kyle and it never w…
Well, he could just execute you know.
Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise
#36The situation at Cruise is so similar to OpenAI (political removal due to prioritizing success over safety) that the coincidental timing is almost contrived. At least in this case, Vogt is doing a clear resignation on his own terms.
> political removal due to prioritizing success over safety
I don't really see the parallel.
It seems impossible to have success in self-driving without safety. Cars that are unsafe will literally kill people, which will then kill the program as seen with Uber.
The AI safety/success tradeoff seems far more nuanced. The threats are abstract, largely hypothetical, and safety seems to be directly in opposition with success. So it's easy to see why product-oriented people would feel justified in making a call to ignore or down-prioritize safety, in a way that nobody running a self-driving car program can afford to.
Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't see the situations similar at all. Cruise is an extremely tough spot right now after its handling of the San Francisco accident, and it's nationwide pause of testing. OpenAI has been extremely successful but is having strategic disagreements within its non-profit board.
Is this the SF accident you mean? I hadn’t heard of it, but this seems not at all worrisome: > At approximately 9:30 p.m. on October 2, a human-driven vehicle struck a pedestrian while traveling in the lane immediately to the left of a Cruise AV. The initial impact was severe and launched the pedestrian directly in front of the AV. The AV then braked aggressively to minimize the impact. The driver of the other vehicl…
The accident was one thing, but Cruise's response to regulators about the accident escalated the heat. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/board-...
Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise
#38I’m guessing cruise is pretty much over. What’s really unfortunate is I worked with many people who worked with Kyle and no one had a single good thing to say about him. And I’ve often heard that before with people who knew other CEOs but they kinda grudgingly admitted they did what was needed to get it done. However over and over I just heard phrases like “lost” “aimless” and “confused mess” with Kyle and it never w…
I knew people who worked over there and didn’t have nice things to say about anyone in upper management. I actually had to tell a recruiter from Cruise who was actively trying to get me to interview, no thank you.
Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise
#39This is a situation where the whole e/acc stuff every Silicon Valley bigwig is shouting about got a company in trouble. Push forward at all cost, expand as fast as possible, see regulators as stifling forces not to be trusted or taken seriously. Can almost guarantee the Cruise CEO was in that circle of thought and drank the Koolaid too hard.
No this was more of a fake-it-til-you-make-it situation
Hiding a video from regulators has nothing to do with faking it til you make it
Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't see the situations similar at all. Cruise is an extremely tough spot right now after its handling of the San Francisco accident, and it's nationwide pause of testing. OpenAI has been extremely successful but is having strategic disagreements within its non-profit board.
Is this the SF accident you mean? I hadn’t heard of it, but this seems not at all worrisome: > At approximately 9:30 p.m. on October 2, a human-driven vehicle struck a pedestrian while traveling in the lane immediately to the left of a Cruise AV. The initial impact was severe and launched the pedestrian directly in front of the AV. The AV then braked aggressively to minimize the impact. The driver of the other vehicl…
Dig deeper, dude. I'm not sure if you're serious or being disingenuous, but the fallout over that incident has been in tech news including several HN threads for the past 6+ weeks.