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OpenAI investors try to get Sam Altman back as CEO after sudden firing

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Re: OpenAI investors try to get Sam Altman back as CEO after sudden firing

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I don't follow OpenAI or SV news all that much. Is this guy really that critical to the company? I thought Ilya Sutskever was the genius? Is this a non-compete thing, where they're scared Altman will take company secrets to a competitor, or is this dude actually a major factor in the company's success (and not just a lucky bystander)?

The dude is the CEO. Likely he is a significant factor of success.

Have you worked for an average / incompetent boss? It is bad.

Re: OpenAI investors try to get Sam Altman back as CEO after sudden firing

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post #32

I don't follow OpenAI or SV news all that much. Is this guy really that critical to the company? I thought Ilya Sutskever was the genius? Is this a non-compete thing, where they're scared Altman will take company secrets to a competitor, or is this dude actually a major factor in the company's success (and not just a lucky bystander)?

I mean he probably was an important factor in getting the commercial state of OpenAI Inc to what it is today. However a lot of people feel that he betrayed the original funding goal of OpenAI which was to work for the benefit of humanity. I'm not convinced OpenAI Inc is doing anything more for "humanities benefit" than Meta, Google, Microsoft or other players in the space.

I would like to know what is the actual reason for why they fired him though. Is there more to this story than meets the eye?

Re: OpenAI investors try to get Sam Altman back as CEO after sudden firing

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What are the odds that, if Sam Altman returns to OpenAI, it would remain a non-profit? From everything that the news has covered since his departure, it seems that the board is committed to the non-profit mission, but Sam runs OpenAI like a for-profit startup company. I imagine if he returns, the board will be replaced with people who share Sam's vision and OpenAI will drop the façade of public responsibility and non…

They dropped it right after ChatGPT came out. For a full year, they were luring top talent with promises of exorbitant equity, sold integrations left and right, played a role in writing the EO that makes it difficult for newcomers to compete with OpenAI, etc. Didn't we have a story about $10M comp packages at OpenAI just a week ago? I can't imagine this was just Altman. I suspect that a large proportion of current Op…

I think they should gut the current company. For better or for worse. Sam and 80% of openai can start over and probably reach agi but like this it's too ironic

Re: OpenAI investors try to get Sam Altman back as CEO after sudden firing

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I wish we knew what the real cause was.

Some initial coverage talked about Sutskever's concerns over the lack of openness (possibly in publishing results if not full open source).

Other coverage made Sutskever sound like a doomer (the "AI will take over" type), although popular media often does conflate real concerns about the biases of some AI models with doomerism.

Re: OpenAI investors try to get Sam Altman back as CEO after sudden firing

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post #105

I wish we knew what the real cause was. Some initial coverage talked about Sutskever's concerns over the lack of openness (possibly in publishing results if not full open source). Other coverage made Sutskever sound like a doomer (the "AI will take over" type), although popular media often does conflate real concerns about the biases of some AI models with doomerism.

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Re: OpenAI investors try to get Sam Altman back as CEO after sudden firing

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We'll never know exactly what the issue was. It's in nobody's best interest to share that information. It's not in OpenAI's, Microsoft's, and certainly not sama's. Probably not even Ilya's.

Ultimately, whatever it was, it will be smoothed over.

Re: OpenAI investors try to get Sam Altman back as CEO after sudden firing

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post #32

I don't follow OpenAI or SV news all that much. Is this guy really that critical to the company? I thought Ilya Sutskever was the genius? Is this a non-compete thing, where they're scared Altman will take company secrets to a competitor, or is this dude actually a major factor in the company's success (and not just a lucky bystander)?

Even if he isn’t critical to OpenAI’s future there is the issue of how the board handled this. They surprised everyone from their most significant investors to their employees, which would be justified if they have a very good reason. Without an excellent reason, all of this looks capricious and incompetent.

Re: OpenAI investors try to get Sam Altman back as CEO after sudden firing

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We'll never know exactly what the issue was. It's in nobody's best interest to share that information. It's not in OpenAI's, Microsoft's, and certainly not sama's. Probably not even Ilya's. Ultimately, whatever it was, it will be smoothed over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_too_shall_pass

Re: OpenAI investors try to get Sam Altman back as CEO after sudden firing

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He is one of the most well connected people in tech and probably responsible for all of their partnerships and fundraising success. His departure in this fashion would make it really hard for them to raise as much money as they will need and potentially put them on a blacklist of a lot of YC companies. To top it off he'd probably raise a few billion and poach half of the team.

> His departure in this fashion would make it really hard for them to raise as much money as they will need and potentially put them on a blacklist of a lot of YC companies. How does this matter anymore? OpenAI is the most known company from the last year. You don’t need specific person anymore to market about your company. If it is up to single person whether company is worth investment, then everyone just hopes tha…

If it is up to single person whether company is worth investment,

Regardless of who they fired, if the board is known to make arbitrary and capricious decisions about top executives without so much as a heads up to large investors, it's not clear that any investor will see them as being worth investment.

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