This seems to me like an example of how difficult it is to organize a company around a goal other then making money. As a non-profit, OpanAI was not supposed to be a profit maximizing enterprise. But how is a board supposed to opperate, and set objectives without a clear goal like profit maximization? Usually a boards represents the owners of the business and their interested. The OpenAI board does not represent the owners because there are no owners. So the board is just 6 people and their opionions. Hard to see how that can work.
OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
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Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ilya is the stereotypical genius mind that is extremely passionate yet disconnected from the real world. He got way too worked up about abstract issues, failed to see the bigger picture and had a meltdown that other board members took seriously because he's a cofounder. He is instrumental in the research but he shouldn't be running the business.
> He is instrumental in the research but he shouldn't be running the business. To push back on this a bit. If two yet unknown people, "an Altman" and "an Ilya", both applied to YC to start a company that builds and sells AI models, guess who would get funded. Not the guy who can't build AI models. I find it bizarre that the guy who can build is suddenly the villain-nerd who can't be trusted, and the salesman is the h…
They'll definitely both get funded.
Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you even following this? >You actually think of the most esteemed AI researchers will have trouble finding funding after this? Plenty of those actually left already ... Ilya is good but is one of many, and by many I mean there's 100s of equally capable researchers, many of those with more flexible morals. Note: I'm being generous to Ilya and taking him at face value on being the self-proclaimed AI messiah that is…
Plenty haven't left. Depending on which article you read it's between 3 and 5. Which is nothing for a company the size of OpenAI
Yeah man, whatever you say! :^)
Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m old enough to remember when all the employees who supported him were going to resign at 5 pm Saturday
I think the hearts on Twitter was supposed to be a show of power on Sam's side. I wouldn't be surprised if that number is >20% of employees
That number is 91 employees out OAI's 700. Seems like a pretty reasonable number of people to support Sam's faction, but absolutely recoverable for OAI even if every single heart leaves.
Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#195This seems to me like an example of how difficult it is to organize a company around a goal other then making money. As a non-profit, OpanAI was not supposed to be a profit maximizing enterprise. But how is a board supposed to opperate, and set objectives without a clear goal like profit maximization? Usually a boards represents the owners of the business and their interested. The OpenAI board does not represent the…
They represent the charter. That is literally the metric.
Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#196So the discussions are definitely happening it seems: https://twitter.com/sama/status/1726345564059832609
In Sam’s shoes, as slippery an operator as I’d be, I’d ask a sympathetic employee to register me as a guest just to make that post, whether there were negotiations or not.
Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interestingly it was the other way around this time, at least to start...
This was pretty clearly an attempt by the board to reassert control, which was slowly slipping away as the company became more enmeshed with Microsoft.
Does that mean that the move of the board was actually good for openness of AI ?
Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#198This reads entirely as PR from the VC camp.
Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Why would I not believe that Meta or Google or anyone really come in or replace Microsoft? Because they already do well on their own, Meta is doing exceptionally well actually. It's better business for them if OpenAI just burns into the ground and leaves the cake up for grabs again. It doesn't take a lot of brain power to see that. The only thing that has sent Google into "Code Red" in it's whole history has been Op…
This isn't true, Facebook put google into code red and they wasted years on Google+.
Google+ was an accessory thing. It was like "ye, we should also have a social network" and it didn't work and then what happened to them? Literally nothing, source: its stock.
OpenAI is a different beast, they (or some LLM) could displace Google as the main provider of information to the world. You just don't know what you're talking about, lol.
1: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidphelan/2023/01/23/how-chat...
Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#200This is why, when you claim to be running a non-profit to "benefit humankind," you shouldn't put all your resources into a for-profit subsidiary. Eventually, the for-profit arm, and its investors, will find its nonprofit parent a hindrance, and an insular board of directors won't stand a chance against corporate titans.
Worst part is their own employees don't care about the non profits value