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OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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All this talk of talent, they just end up with a company full of people driven only by monetary pursuits. How could it ever have worked with the non profit mission

This is anything involving Effective Altruists. It is a facade of respectability to justify chasing money at all costs.

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Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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> He is instrumental in the research but he shouldn't be running the business. To push back on this a bit. If two yet unknown people, "an Altman" and "an Ilya", both applied to YC to start a company that builds and sells AI models, guess who would get funded. Not the guy who can't build AI models. I find it bizarre that the guy who can build is suddenly the villain-nerd who can't be trusted, and the salesman is the h…

There has been a huge cultural shift in tech towards devaluing builders and (excessively) emphasising the roles of operations and sales. In reality you need all of them, and they are all separate talents, but things are clearly unbalanced.

It's how whole industrial sectors become enshittified.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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This is why, when you claim to be running a non-profit to "benefit humankind," you shouldn't put all your resources into a for-profit subsidiary. Eventually, the for-profit arm, and its investors, will find its nonprofit parent a hindrance, and an insular board of directors won't stand a chance against corporate titans.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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Ilya is the stereotypical genius mind that is extremely passionate yet disconnected from the real world. He got way too worked up about abstract issues, failed to see the bigger picture and had a meltdown that other board members took seriously because he's a cofounder. He is instrumental in the research but he shouldn't be running the business.

> He is instrumental in the research but he shouldn't be running the business. To push back on this a bit. If two yet unknown people, "an Altman" and "an Ilya", both applied to YC to start a company that builds and sells AI models, guess who would get funded. Not the guy who can't build AI models. I find it bizarre that the guy who can build is suddenly the villain-nerd who can't be trusted, and the salesman is the h…

IMHE at YC, I'd put my money on whichever talked a more monetizable game.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

#175

So any bets on who will play Sam on the Netflix movie/miniseries? :)

Simon Helberg was born for this

Thank you! I have always thought Sam reminds me some actor, but was never able to make the connection.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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This is why, when you claim to be running a non-profit to "benefit humankind," you shouldn't put all your resources into a for-profit subsidiary. Eventually, the for-profit arm, and its investors, will find its nonprofit parent a hindrance, and an insular board of directors won't stand a chance against corporate titans.

Interestingly it was the other way around this time, at least to start...

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

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> Passion vs greed. What's there to be passionate about in a doomed business? Where is OpenAI going to get compute from? What work are they going to get done if everybody else follows Altman?

You can also have principles which would rather do no work than harmful work

I would not call sitting at a cubicle and collecting a paycheck while doing no work 'passion'. And probably not even collecting the paycheck.

Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role

#180

This is why, when you claim to be running a non-profit to "benefit humankind," you shouldn't put all your resources into a for-profit subsidiary. Eventually, the for-profit arm, and its investors, will find its nonprofit parent a hindrance, and an insular board of directors won't stand a chance against corporate titans.

Interestingly it was the other way around this time, at least to start...

This was pretty clearly an attempt by the board to reassert control, which was slowly slipping away as the company became more enmeshed with Microsoft.
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