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Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

injeolmi_love wrote: post #157
fintechie wrote: post #77

Hungary and Slovakia, the only European countries that haven't allowed illegal immigration in, are at the bottom of that chart, while Sweden is getting rekt... Legal immigration is of course fine and necessary, as long as the state and socials systems can assimilate it... (Japan is a good example). But articles like this show concerning data points in western countries with uncontrolled migratory policies.

Just because fascism works by its own definitions does not mean that fascism is good. Neither Hungary nor Slovakia are great places to live by most metrics, even for native born citizens.

>Neither Hungary nor Slovakia are great places to live by most metrics

Huh? What's wrong with living in Slovakia?

You're making it sound like Slovakia is Botswana, Saudi Arabia or something when it's one of the safest and developed countries in the world, unless you opinion of Slovakia comes from the famous Bratislava scene from the movie Eurotrip.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by fullspectrumdev »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #110
woodruffw wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what, exactly, is the "elephant in the room"? If this is meant to be a dogwhistle about immigration, it seems appropriate to observe that many of the countries TFA compares Sweden to (Greece, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands) have similar immigration patterns without the same violent crime rates.

> Sweden to (Greece, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands) have similar immigration patterns without the same violent crime rates. You haven't gone to Brussels I suppose... Especially Molenbeek or Station Zuid. Ps. I'm from Belgium

I stay in that area with friends whenever I visit. It’s completely fine.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by searealist »

zztop44 wrote: post #167
htamas wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That chart is using data from 2021, while the gang crisis in Sweden began escalating in 2022.

So quite a while after the peak in immigration in the mid/late 2010s.

Sweden murder rate over time, it trends down until the mid 2010s: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/SWE/sweden/murder-homi...

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by Dah00n »

egeozcan wrote: post #74
tsss wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then maybe it's time for the thousands of Ukrainian refugees to go home already?

If they already started a new life, aren't they already home?

Ask this about Ukrainians and then ask the same about Muslims and you have a discussion, well, kinda like the one in this thread.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by mrkeen »

> But in recent years it has achieved notoriety as the hometown of one of Sweden’s most deadly gangs and its notorious leader Rawa Majid, “the Kurdish Fox”, who fled to Turkey in 2018 after a number of drug and violence-related convictions.

> Much of the recent violence is due to a major split in the Foxtrot drug gang, say police. Majid, who was raised in Uppsala by Iraqi parents, is believed to have fallen out with his former right-hand man Ismail Abdo, or “Strawberry”, who also moved to Turkey.

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"Is there a lot of crime in Sweden?"

"Ja we have a lot of crime. Ours are named Kurdish Fox and Strawberry."

"Can't the police do something about them?"

"Oh they don't live here any more."

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by dh2022 »

tsss wrote: post #67
lm28469 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I just took the train into the city, had a burger & beer, and soon I'll train back home. I have zero worries about my safety. That's also the life of millions in Ukraine right now so your anecdote doesn't mean much Looking at the statistics and historical trends paint another picture, of course this isn't El Salvador, but it doesn't mean it's going in the right direction

Then maybe it's time for the thousands of Ukrainian refugees to go home already?

I live in western Washington. In the past couple of years I met some Ukrainians - for home related remodeling, help wit cleaning and cooking. I can tell you none of these people will go back to Ukraine. Their kids are already in public schools learning English and integrating in the society.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by 29athrowaway »

bad_user wrote: post #97
woodruffw wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what, exactly, is the "elephant in the room"? If this is meant to be a dogwhistle about immigration, it seems appropriate to observe that many of the countries TFA compares Sweden to (Greece, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands) have similar immigration patterns without the same violent crime rates.

I don't know about the others, but Greece tends to be a transit country, not a final destination. It does get immigrants, but those interested in crime tend to migrate to higher-GDP countries. I can see the same trend in my country too. The people coming here, for now, are very hardworking and law-abiding, whereas those interested in crime tend to migrate, our natives included, too. It's good to know that immigrants,…

Can you give 1 example where the solution you suggest has worked in the long term? i.e.: my population pyramid is broken, I am going to replace the base of the pyramid with foreigners.

I do not have a problem with that idea, but bringing people from territories where marrying your 1st cousin is legal is a bad idea with bad consequences: lower IQ, expensive health conditions, bad temperament (and hence crime), etc.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by usrusr »

bad_user wrote: post #97
woodruffw wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what, exactly, is the "elephant in the room"? If this is meant to be a dogwhistle about immigration, it seems appropriate to observe that many of the countries TFA compares Sweden to (Greece, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands) have similar immigration patterns without the same violent crime rates.

I don't know about the others, but Greece tends to be a transit country, not a final destination. It does get immigrants, but those interested in crime tend to migrate to higher-GDP countries. I can see the same trend in my country too. The people coming here, for now, are very hardworking and law-abiding, whereas those interested in crime tend to migrate, our natives included, too. It's good to know that immigrants,…

Immigrants are rarely much of a crime problem. First and second generation descendants on the other hand... there really aren't any simple solutions, at least not as long as we agree that an individual cannot be punished for a statistic about their future descendants.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by w1n5t0n99 »

patall wrote: post #84
whearyou wrote: post #27

I suspect anyone who wants to address the elephant in the room here will have to choose between accepting support from semi-fascist types or getting cancelled

I suspect that many people still havn't realized that the elephant in the room is not solved by stricter laws. Because those are in place everywhere. The elephant is what is supposed to happen to those people. Because nobody wants them. And when you cannot deport, what are you going to do?

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Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

Dah00n wrote: post #166
mupuff1234 wrote: post #69

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Is "specific type of immigrants" your codeword for Muslims? Sounds a tad xenophobic to me.

In context, it's the kind of immigrant who doesn't want to assimilate, but who would rather form a gang with friends from the old country.

If you interpret that as being a codeword for Muslims, either you're projecting, or (too many) Muslims actually are that kind of immigrant.

The US has this problem, too. Quite a lot of "that kind of immigrant" to the US are not Muslims.

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