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Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by arp242 »

fintechie wrote: post #77

Hungary and Slovakia, the only European countries that haven't allowed illegal immigration in, are at the bottom of that chart, while Sweden is getting rekt... Legal immigration is of course fine and necessary, as long as the state and socials systems can assimilate it... (Japan is a good example). But articles like this show concerning data points in western countries with uncontrolled migratory policies.

That charts paints a rather skewed picture by only focusing on firearms rather than murder overall. This is not a bad thing to highlight, but you should absolutely not confuse the two.

Looking at [1], murder rate in Slovakia is comparable, and Hungary only slightly lower. Sweden isn't even near the top murder rate in the EU, and a number of other countries which accepted a large number of refugees have lower murder rates than Sweden.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention...

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by brazzy »

rlt wrote: post #86
patall wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They very often are not able to deport. Because no country takes those people in. The laws are in place but there are few ethical options. Same story for the border closing in Finland by the way. You are dealing with a deeply unethical state, so when you don't let them in, these people will have to die. Because the other side knows that you are more likely to give in out of ethical principle.

Why can’t they be deported to the country the came from?

Because that country typically refuses to let them enter.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by mupuff1234 »

woodruffw wrote: post #64
whearyou wrote: post #27

I suspect anyone who wants to address the elephant in the room here will have to choose between accepting support from semi-fascist types or getting cancelled

And what, exactly, is the "elephant in the room"? If this is meant to be a dogwhistle about immigration, it seems appropriate to observe that many of the countries TFA compares Sweden to (Greece, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands) have similar immigration patterns without the same violent crime rates.

https://www.government.nl/latest/news/2023/06/26/public-nuis...

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by flohofwoe »

fintechie wrote: post #77

Hungary and Slovakia, the only European countries that haven't allowed illegal immigration in, are at the bottom of that chart, while Sweden is getting rekt... Legal immigration is of course fine and necessary, as long as the state and socials systems can assimilate it... (Japan is a good example). But articles like this show concerning data points in western countries with uncontrolled migratory policies.

Why is Germany near the bottom of the chart then?

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

#97

Post by bad_user »

woodruffw wrote: post #64
whearyou wrote: post #27

I suspect anyone who wants to address the elephant in the room here will have to choose between accepting support from semi-fascist types or getting cancelled

And what, exactly, is the "elephant in the room"? If this is meant to be a dogwhistle about immigration, it seems appropriate to observe that many of the countries TFA compares Sweden to (Greece, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands) have similar immigration patterns without the same violent crime rates.

I don't know about the others, but Greece tends to be a transit country, not a final destination. It does get immigrants, but those interested in crime tend to migrate to higher-GDP countries. I can see the same trend in my country too. The people coming here, for now, are very hardworking and law-abiding, whereas those interested in crime tend to migrate, our natives included, too.

It's good to know that immigrants, no matter the nationality, ethnicity, or religion, follow a normal distribution. Some of them are criminals or bigots, whereas most of them are just normal people trying to find work and raise a family.

Europe needs immigrants, it would be foolish to close borders. But we need to be tougher on crime, too. Immigrants that don't quickly adopt our laws and liberal values should be expelled because otherwise, the crime rate goes up, then far-right parties take over. And what happens next in such scenarios is that the law-abiding immigrants suffer, actually.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by nradov »

patall wrote: post #84
whearyou wrote: post #27

I suspect anyone who wants to address the elephant in the room here will have to choose between accepting support from semi-fascist types or getting cancelled

I suspect that many people still havn't realized that the elephant in the room is not solved by stricter laws. Because those are in place everywhere. The elephant is what is supposed to happen to those people. Because nobody wants them. And when you cannot deport, what are you going to do?

The usual solution has been to pay some third country to take them.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by [deleted] »

alephnerd wrote: post #79
romafirst3 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like an awful place. From wikipedia. "Elegant Östermalm is known for its smart bars and restaurants on Stureplan square, and its cultural venues, such as the Swedish History Museum, displaying Viking weapons. Designer boutiques dot the area near Östermalms Saluhall, a food market known for traditional specialties like gravlax and smoked shrimp. Centered on the imposing National Library of Sweden, tranquil Huml…

You can do the same for anywhere. For example Tenderloin: "Tenderloin in San Francisco is known for its cultural diversity - home to micro-neighborhoods representing the Vietnamese, Thai, Korean, Pakistani, Central Asian, and Yemeni communities. There is a bustling cultural scene with numerous live jazz bars, theaters where bands like The Rolling Stones and Beatles have headlined, and museums highlighting the histori…

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Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

#100

Post by patall »

rlt wrote: post #86
patall wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They very often are not able to deport. Because no country takes those people in. The laws are in place but there are few ethical options. Same story for the border closing in Finland by the way. You are dealing with a deeply unethical state, so when you don't let them in, these people will have to die. Because the other side knows that you are more likely to give in out of ethical principle.

Why can’t they be deported to the country the came from?

Unwillingness by the country of origin [0]. Possibly because they don't want another mouth to fed or are hoping for compensation.

[0] in last part: https://www.dw.com/en/migration-germany-to-deport-rejected-a...

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