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Re: Revenge bedtime procrastination

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Post by pawelduda »

doubled112 wrote: post #46
zemvpferreira wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem I've seen with sleep/caffeine research is that most of it is done with non-habitual doses. Half-life might be such and such, but people who drink a coffee after dinner for 20 years sleep better than non-coffee-drinkers who have an espresso after lunch that one time.

Anecdotal, but exactly. I drink roughly a pot of coffee a day. Keeps me in the game. Just one more at dinner is not going to keep me awake at night. Maybe another pot, but that's still a maybe.

I used to drink yerba mate almost daily (higher caffeine content than average coffee) because I thought it kept me in the game. At one point I had to go on very strict diet due to health issue so took one week break. I never felt urge to drink it again, my avg energy levels are higher, and anxiety levels lower since stopping (2 months so far)

Re: Revenge bedtime procrastination

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Post by anktor »

zemvpferreira wrote: post #12

Not to dimish the problem but to add my own experience, consider that a delayed sleep onset can be confused with bedtime procrastination. My circadian rythm tends to 25-26 hours. Every day I feel sleepy 2 hours later than the day before. That means every day I'm tempted to delay my bedtime by 2 hours because I don't feel sleepy at all. For the longest time I though the my difficulty falling asleep was habitual/emotio…

Absolutely agreed. I've had some type of insomnia on and off most of my life, last year was particularly bad. Started taking melatonin, first day I fell asleep and rested like I couldn't for the past year. Asked my doctor about and he told me to keep taking it as long as I felt it worked, since anything he could give would be much much more addictive

Re: Revenge bedtime procrastination

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Post by extragood »

swimwiththebeat wrote: post #28

It’s amazing how much attaching a name to some phenomenon or problem and discussing it helps in understanding it and taking the first steps to address it. Knowing that bedtime procrastination is a real thing that affects others not only gives me comfort, but also helps me think about it very consciously and figure out how to take the first steps to solve it. I never thought about it from the revenge and agency perspe…

I had a similar revelation at work recently.

I've lead a team for the past several years. Our productivity and the quality of the work never was never questioned for the first ~4 years. We consistently met or exceeded expectations, and everyone was happy.

In the past year of belt tightening, my leadership and methods have come under scrutiny by our executives. I've spent many hours defending my decisions, especially team structure. The thing which finally got them (mostly) off my back was sharing the name of the methodology that most resembled what I had built. Suddenly my explanations check out.

While I'm happy to have a lot of that pressure relieved, it's also been a frustrating experience. My credibility relied on someone else giving a name to a methodology that I devised independently, and that was more important than any of the results of the previous 4 years.

Re: Revenge bedtime procrastination

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Post by Baeocystin »

jraby3 wrote: post #31
elynde wrote: post #30

Bedtime procrastination is my kryptonite. Every other habit like working hard, exercising, eating right I do well at but can't fix this. I've battled with it my whole life. Even as a toddler I would stay up late reading in secret. There is just something about the stillness when everyone else is asleep where I feel like my brain can finally wind down/process the day/kick back and relax. Anyone else struggled so badly…

Maybe fix it by accepting it and yourself. I love getting up early for the same reason. Everyone is asleep everything is quiet and I can just relax in a way I can’t when people are around. If you can, try to arrange your morning routine to give you some extra time to sleep and enjoy the quality time at night.

To second this- I have been an extreme night owl my entire life. Trying to sync my sleep/wake to an early morning schedule was to live a miserable life of permanent jetlag. It wasn't thriving; it was barely surviving, with no mental juice left for love or hobbies.

I finally had a health event that was a real come-to-Jesus moment about 10 years ago. As part of dealing with it, I learned to accept my nature as being what it is.

And now, 10 years on, my life has never been better. That doesn't mean easy or without issue, but I'm finally living as myself. And that makes all the difference.

Re: Revenge bedtime procrastination

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Post by yason »

elynde wrote: post #30

Bedtime procrastination is my kryptonite. Every other habit like working hard, exercising, eating right I do well at but can't fix this. I've battled with it my whole life. Even as a toddler I would stay up late reading in secret. There is just something about the stillness when everyone else is asleep where I feel like my brain can finally wind down/process the day/kick back and relax. Anyone else struggled so badly…

I consider it a feature, not a bug.

Also read in the dark with a flashlight when I was a kid. I'm writing this near midnight with my wife and our dog soundly asleep. I'll be around for an hour or two until I switch off to sleep myself. All I hear is the faint hum of my laptop fan and the car lights that pass by on the road in distance. Just perfect.

Re: Revenge bedtime procrastination

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Post by simmschi »

extragood wrote: post #53
swimwiththebeat wrote: post #28

It’s amazing how much attaching a name to some phenomenon or problem and discussing it helps in understanding it and taking the first steps to address it. Knowing that bedtime procrastination is a real thing that affects others not only gives me comfort, but also helps me think about it very consciously and figure out how to take the first steps to solve it. I never thought about it from the revenge and agency perspe…

I had a similar revelation at work recently. I've lead a team for the past several years. Our productivity and the quality of the work never was never questioned for the first ~4 years. We consistently met or exceeded expectations, and everyone was happy. In the past year of belt tightening, my leadership and methods have come under scrutiny by our executives. I've spent many hours defending my decisions, especially…

Ha, I can relate to that. What is the name of your leadership style?

Re: Revenge bedtime procrastination

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Post by Baeocystin »

grecy wrote: post #50
mindslight wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure light has much to do with it, but that's a poor proposition at this time of year in the northern hemisphere. And frankly often times when it starts to get dark is when I actually start to feel fully awake. Of course the caffeine dependence I've built up lately doesn't help that. It's one hell of a high interest loan, and there's never a good time to pay it off.

I live in the Yukon, I’ve never felt better than when I go to bed with the sun, even in winter. When your body sleeps for 14+ hours, it’s telling you something

When I lived in Montana, I definitely slept more hours in the winter. Kind of enjoyed it, too. Those long evenings of nothing much but staring in to the fire (house was heated with a Franklin stove) were good for the soul.

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Post by manmal »

noman-land wrote: post #16
zemvpferreira wrote: post #12

Not to dimish the problem but to add my own experience, consider that a delayed sleep onset can be confused with bedtime procrastination. My circadian rythm tends to 25-26 hours. Every day I feel sleepy 2 hours later than the day before. That means every day I'm tempted to delay my bedtime by 2 hours because I don't feel sleepy at all. For the longest time I though the my difficulty falling asleep was habitual/emotio…

Is there a name for this circadian misalignment? I've never done any serious testing but over time have experienced the same realization, that my ideal day seems to be longer than 24 hours.

Does this occur for you even when you get exposure to bright sunlight after waking, and turning off the lights at 9PM or so?

Re: Revenge bedtime procrastination

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Post by hotnfresh »

grecy wrote: post #50
mindslight wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure light has much to do with it, but that's a poor proposition at this time of year in the northern hemisphere. And frankly often times when it starts to get dark is when I actually start to feel fully awake. Of course the caffeine dependence I've built up lately doesn't help that. It's one hell of a high interest loan, and there's never a good time to pay it off.

I live in the Yukon, I’ve never felt better than when I go to bed with the sun, even in winter. When your body sleeps for 14+ hours, it’s telling you something

I’ve played with eliminating nighttime lighting (aside from candles) and after-dark screens period, and can confirm, it puts one’s “clock” closer to where it should be. Which shouldn’t be surprising.

It is hard to keep up. If I were dictator of the world I’d experiment with hibernating the whole economy a bit in the Winter. Three months or so of 5-6 hour workdays.

Re: Revenge bedtime procrastination

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Post by pomian »

elynde wrote: post #30

Bedtime procrastination is my kryptonite. Every other habit like working hard, exercising, eating right I do well at but can't fix this. I've battled with it my whole life. Even as a toddler I would stay up late reading in secret. There is just something about the stillness when everyone else is asleep where I feel like my brain can finally wind down/process the day/kick back and relax. Anyone else struggled so badly…

Some life lessons from a fellow night owl. Don't worry about it! Don't schedule important meetings at 8 am! If you need to become a regular at some place at 8 am, then they only solution for a night owl, is to get up before 6; 5:30 for example - then you are foolling your body into thinking you're still getting up at night.
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