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OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
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Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems clear that there weren’t specific reasons, just a kind of final straw in the product announcements that made the board realize how far from the original mission the company had drifted. Turning it into an emergency and surprise coup with innuendo of wrongdoing looks to have been a huge mistake, and may result in total loss of control where a more measured course correction could have succeeded.
Ilya is the stereotypical genius mind that is extremely passionate yet disconnected from the real world. He got way too worked up about abstract issues, failed to see the bigger picture and had a meltdown that other board members took seriously because he's a cofounder. He is instrumental in the research but he shouldn't be running the business.
Is there any way he can even stay if Altman returns? Seems like one of them is out and making their own AI venture soon.
Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems clear that there weren’t specific reasons, just a kind of final straw in the product announcements that made the board realize how far from the original mission the company had drifted. Turning it into an emergency and surprise coup with innuendo of wrongdoing looks to have been a huge mistake, and may result in total loss of control where a more measured course correction could have succeeded.
Ilya is the stereotypical genius mind that is extremely passionate yet disconnected from the real world. He got way too worked up about abstract issues, failed to see the bigger picture and had a meltdown that other board members took seriously because he's a cofounder. He is instrumental in the research but he shouldn't be running the business.
If "bigger picture" means making more money with less safety concerns, then I think he is totally right to oppose that.
Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#24The only power MS has is soft power as a backer. Will that win over the board's actual power? If MS pulls investment it will be a catastrophic blow.
Yeah, MS leaving is the absolute end of OpenAI (and for all practical purposes the end of Ilya's career). It's Satya's call now, he's not happy and wants @sama back. Next week is going to be interesting!
What a wild idea. You actually think of the most esteemed AI researchers will have trouble finding funding after this? Someone somewhere will give him money.
We’re in an arms race. Ilya is Otto Hahn.
Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#25"Bret Taylor, the former co-CEO of Salesforce Inc., will be on the new board, several people said. Another possible addition is an executive from Redmond, Washington-based Microsoft, OpenAI’s largest shareholder — but Microsoft hasn’t decided whether it wants board representation, some people said." hah, Microsoft will be in control from here on out whether they have someone technically on the board or not. They did…
Salesforce is part of the microsoft borg now too?
Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#26Fired on a Friday just to be back in the office Monday with a new boss lol
Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems clear that there weren’t specific reasons, just a kind of final straw in the product announcements that made the board realize how far from the original mission the company had drifted. Turning it into an emergency and surprise coup with innuendo of wrongdoing looks to have been a huge mistake, and may result in total loss of control where a more measured course correction could have succeeded.
Ilya is the stereotypical genius mind that is extremely passionate yet disconnected from the real world. He got way too worked up about abstract issues, failed to see the bigger picture and had a meltdown that other board members took seriously because he's a cofounder. He is instrumental in the research but he shouldn't be running the business.
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Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#29The only power MS has is soft power as a backer. Will that win over the board's actual power? If MS pulls investment it will be a catastrophic blow.
Yeah, MS leaving is the absolute end of OpenAI (and for all practical purposes the end of Ilya's career). It's Satya's call now, he's not happy and wants @sama back. Next week is going to be interesting!
Why would I not believe that Meta or Google or anyone really come in or replace Microsoft?
You don’t think they’re kicking themselves that Microsoft got the deal?
Re: OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role
#30The only power MS has is soft power as a backer. Will that win over the board's actual power? If MS pulls investment it will be a catastrophic blow.
pulling investment would be a hard power. Imagine if Microsoft says the change in leadership and idiotic board means the contract is done, no more compute for openAI and then goes on to back Sam Altmans new company openai will be writing papers and asking for donations within a weeks time at that point as the rest of openAI quits
In this imaginary hypothesis you don’t think some other giant will fund them?