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OpenAI investors try to get Sam Altman back as CEO after sudden firing

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Re: OpenAI investors try to get Sam Altman back as CEO after sudden firing

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I don't follow OpenAI or SV news all that much. Is this guy really that critical to the company? I thought Ilya Sutskever was the genius? Is this a non-compete thing, where they're scared Altman will take company secrets to a competitor, or is this dude actually a major factor in the company's success (and not just a lucky bystander)?

He is one of the most well connected people in tech and probably responsible for all of their partnerships and fundraising success. His departure in this fashion would make it really hard for them to raise as much money as they will need and potentially put them on a blacklist of a lot of YC companies. To top it off he'd probably raise a few billion and poach half of the team.

To the first point, they’re hugely well known at this point and could probably continue to raise money fine without him. But to your 2nd point, they wouldn’t be doing that in a vacuum. They’d be competing against him, and he could probably still out-raise them to do the poaching.

Re: OpenAI investors try to get Sam Altman back as CEO after sudden firing

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No, not necessarily any more than Steve Jobs returning to Apple made it worse.

What’s up with comparing altman to steve jobs? He’s well behind him on the scale of leadership, inspiration, vision, and not to mention he had little to no contribution to ai, other than a crypto style aggressive marketing campaign, sprinkled with fud fomo and gaslighting.

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Re: OpenAI investors try to get Sam Altman back as CEO after sudden firing

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OpenAI has the most valuable new technology product in a generation and it’s already monetized. It’s also a charity and could give a fuck about growth beyond the extent needed to meet their goals. The idea that Microsoft is somehow the one irreplaceable part of this formula is completely fucking bizzare.

Well, now we know that once any putative superintelligence learns how to wave money around, we're doomed. All the preparatory "alignment" isn't going to save us from our own greed.

I mean, obviously? Any distant, hypothetical, unlikely AI apocalypse is going to need a lot of willing human accomplices.

Re: OpenAI investors try to get Sam Altman back as CEO after sudden firing

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What are the odds that, if Sam Altman returns to OpenAI, it would remain a non-profit? From everything that the news has covered since his departure, it seems that the board is committed to the non-profit mission, but Sam runs OpenAI like a for-profit startup company. I imagine if he returns, the board will be replaced with people who share Sam's vision and OpenAI will drop the façade of public responsibility and non…

They dropped it right after ChatGPT came out. For a full year, they were luring top talent with promises of exorbitant equity, sold integrations left and right, played a role in writing the EO that makes it difficult for newcomers to compete with OpenAI, etc. Didn't we have a story about $10M comp packages at OpenAI just a week ago?

I can't imagine this was just Altman. I suspect that a large proportion of current OpenAI staff is in it for the money and couldn't care less about the non-profit goals of the pre-ChatGPT era. In fact, many probably oppose the idea because it stands in the way of a big payout down the line.

This coup was probably some sort of the last stand for the old-timers who still believe in the non-profit mission, but I doubt they can prevail in the long haul. Not without gutting the company, at the very least.

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OpenAI has the most valuable new technology product in a generation and it’s already monetized. It’s also a charity and could give a fuck about growth beyond the extent needed to meet their goals. The idea that Microsoft is somehow the one irreplaceable part of this formula is completely fucking bizzare.

OpenAI is not a "thing", the workers are a thing. OpenAI is nothing if the engineers/scientists leave the company to work somewhere else if Altman leaves. According to reports, the head of research and other senior staff have said that they will resign if Altman is not restored as CEO.

Yes that’s somewhat correct. If he really has the loyalty of a huge percentage of the staff and they leave to follow him you’re right.

But you might want to question why you’re so sure that’s the case. People talk about that a lot but it’s pretty rare to actually see that happen.

The usual way things like this go is most people go huh how about that and go back to work at their job the next day and think about their family and weekend plans.

In his case it’s especially odd given his oddly thin track record of actual success. He seems incredibly good at ingratiating himself with extremely powerful people, but there’s no evidence at all of him being a popular leader or particularly good at building and executing on anything.

Ask yourself how he got his last two jobs. He wasn’t exactly voted in due to widespread popular support.

In both cases however he departed abruptly amidst what looks like interpersonal conflict.

Re: OpenAI investors try to get Sam Altman back as CEO after sudden firing

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at this point returning would make the situation worse. better a completely fresh start if openai is to have a future.

I don’t believe so. Just get rid of Mira, Hellen and Tasha and they’re back to being golden.

Lol, Adam stays?

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What’s up with comparing altman to steve jobs? He’s well behind him on the scale of leadership, inspiration, vision, and not to mention he had little to no contribution to ai, other than a crypto style aggressive marketing campaign, sprinkled with fud fomo and gaslighting.

Agreed. The cult of personality seems to have a strong grip on the US zeitgeist. Technology is the new religion and Musk/Altman are the new messiahs, with Jobs and Gates as the patron saints.

It’s funny how those who most decry cults end up sounding so cultish.

The opposite of cult worship is NOT cult antipathy.

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Not saying you're wrong, but the analogy is easy to draw. Both are CEOs, both were ousted, both are charismatic, Apple is the most valuable company in history, and OpenAI is among the fastest growing in history.

Charismatic? Altman? Hmmmm

Jobs are so influential, Sam has his own kind of charisma and persona, as same as Musk.
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