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Re: Revenge bedtime procrastination

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Post by mablopoule »

sleepworkasap wrote: post #6

Charitable take: Revenge procrastination is, as the article says, a symptom of poor emotional regulation. Our emotions push us towards having leisure/entertainment 24/7 but that is obviously not healthy even for the financially independent. Simultaneously, there is an ever-expanding universe of things to experience/study/engage with so there will always be reasons to feel that your obligations are causing you to miss…

Yeah, I'm not for mindless consumption of social media designed to make you addicted, but this article really feels like the medicalization of what would be described before as a slave revolt.

Playfulness isn't even a basic human traits, it's an animal trait, and yet the lack of any consideration in this article on whether the work/life balance might truly be unhealthy and people just need a breather sometimes, this feels truly sociopathic.

Re: Revenge bedtime procrastination

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Post by zemvpferreira »

Not to dimish the problem but to add my own experience, consider that a delayed sleep onset can be confused with bedtime procrastination.

My circadian rythm tends to 25-26 hours. Every day I feel sleepy 2 hours later than the day before. That means every day I'm tempted to delay my bedtime by 2 hours because I don't feel sleepy at all. For the longest time I though the my difficulty falling asleep was habitual/emotional/hygienic.

After a decade of experimentation with caffeine, lighting, food, meditation, journaling, restricted sleep etc etc etc the best solution for me by far has been a low-dose melatonin supplement one hour before my desired bedtime. As long as I do that I hardly ever stay up longer than I should, and go to sleep immediately. Food for thought if you have chronic trouble falling asleep and don't feel like there's anything terribly 'off' about your habits.

(If I'm anxious/stressed I still sleep badly)

Re: Revenge bedtime procrastination

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Post by zer00eyz »

sleepworkasap wrote: post #6

Charitable take: Revenge procrastination is, as the article says, a symptom of poor emotional regulation. Our emotions push us towards having leisure/entertainment 24/7 but that is obviously not healthy even for the financially independent. Simultaneously, there is an ever-expanding universe of things to experience/study/engage with so there will always be reasons to feel that your obligations are causing you to miss…

報復性熬夜 is the Chinese source of this.

A place were 996 is also thrown around a lot. That's 9am to 9pm 6 days a week.

Re: Revenge bedtime procrastination

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Post by rybosome »

sleepworkasap wrote: post #6

Charitable take: Revenge procrastination is, as the article says, a symptom of poor emotional regulation. Our emotions push us towards having leisure/entertainment 24/7 but that is obviously not healthy even for the financially independent. Simultaneously, there is an ever-expanding universe of things to experience/study/engage with so there will always be reasons to feel that your obligations are causing you to miss…

This articulates well why the tone of this article irritates me so much.

> Furthermore, revenge bedtime procrastination is also associated with the concept of deliberate procrastination, which in this context occurs when people intentionally delay going to sleep, because they feel that they deserve some time for themselves.

People do deserve time for themselves. To frame that as a feeling that people have rather than a basic need is insulting, like “people feel that they need human contact”, or “people feel that they need regular sleep”.

Sure, spending hours on social media is a luxury (and a waste of time) rather than a human right, but it’s absurd to imply that someone who literally does nothing but work and meet others’ needs has an emotional problem for wanting a pocket of time to use as they choose.

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Post by Obscurity4340 »

zemvpferreira wrote: post #12

Not to dimish the problem but to add my own experience, consider that a delayed sleep onset can be confused with bedtime procrastination. My circadian rythm tends to 25-26 hours. Every day I feel sleepy 2 hours later than the day before. That means every day I'm tempted to delay my bedtime by 2 hours because I don't feel sleepy at all. For the longest time I though the my difficulty falling asleep was habitual/emotio…

You "listen" to anything or silence?

Re: Revenge bedtime procrastination

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Post by noman-land »

zemvpferreira wrote: post #12

Not to dimish the problem but to add my own experience, consider that a delayed sleep onset can be confused with bedtime procrastination. My circadian rythm tends to 25-26 hours. Every day I feel sleepy 2 hours later than the day before. That means every day I'm tempted to delay my bedtime by 2 hours because I don't feel sleepy at all. For the longest time I though the my difficulty falling asleep was habitual/emotio…

Is there a name for this circadian misalignment? I've never done any serious testing but over time have experienced the same realization, that my ideal day seems to be longer than 24 hours.

Re: Revenge bedtime procrastination

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Post by Xcelerate »

Since having children, this “revenge procrastination” has switched from late night to early morning as I typically fall asleep by 9 PM now. Imagine setting an alarm for 4 AM just to have some time for yourself in the morning. I wouldn’t call it wasted time though. I’m typically learning about machine learning or something.

Re: Revenge bedtime procrastination

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Post by nmarinov »

noman-land wrote: post #16
zemvpferreira wrote: post #12

Not to dimish the problem but to add my own experience, consider that a delayed sleep onset can be confused with bedtime procrastination. My circadian rythm tends to 25-26 hours. Every day I feel sleepy 2 hours later than the day before. That means every day I'm tempted to delay my bedtime by 2 hours because I don't feel sleepy at all. For the longest time I though the my difficulty falling asleep was habitual/emotio…

Is there a name for this circadian misalignment? I've never done any serious testing but over time have experienced the same realization, that my ideal day seems to be longer than 24 hours.

There is some research and some terminology but not a whole lot of conclusive stuff.

Look up circadian rhythm sleep disorders, non-24-hour sleep–wake disorder, delayed sleep phase disorder, free running sleep.

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Post by atleastoptimal »

The_Colonel wrote: post #9

Framing it is a revenge doesn't make sense for me. It's more like I'm asserting myself as a real person with interests, not just obligation fulfillment machine.

Revenge makes sense for me as I feel I'm "getting back" at the circumstances of my life for taking time away from me

Re: Revenge bedtime procrastination

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Post by zemvpferreira »

Obscurity4340 wrote: post #15
zemvpferreira wrote: post #12

Not to dimish the problem but to add my own experience, consider that a delayed sleep onset can be confused with bedtime procrastination. My circadian rythm tends to 25-26 hours. Every day I feel sleepy 2 hours later than the day before. That means every day I'm tempted to delay my bedtime by 2 hours because I don't feel sleepy at all. For the longest time I though the my difficulty falling asleep was habitual/emotio…

You "listen" to anything or silence?

On melatonin? I'm on YouTube until my head is too heavy to hold up (a novel experience).

Off melatonin? I tried silence among other things but it just makes me either bored or anxious. No way to spend 5-10% of your day.

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