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Re: TV: Now What?

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Post by Eisenstein »

scarface_74 wrote: post #93
Eisenstein wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ignoring your irrelevant hypotheticals for which I am not arguing, why is having distribution channels controlled by the content owners beneficial? At this point there is no way for a third party to license content from enough content owners because of cross licensing deals and their ownership of competing platforms. So there can be no place where one can watch a diverse selection like netflix used to be. Is this goo…

It’s not a hypothetical. You are saying that the government should outlaw content producers from distributing their own content. How do you define content producers and are you going to force them to allow anyone to distribute their content? Are you going to apply the same standards to all content producers? There was never a time that Netflix had the majority of the top content - especially movies Sure you can watch…

Proposing something is one thing and having the final laws and regulations ready for you to dissect are another. Is it not possible to say 'this is a good idea' without having it taken to the most extreme possible point and then required to split hairs over hypotheticals?

Are you arguing for a consumer first perspective or an ideological one? Because if you care about consumers you are not approaching dialog in any way that seems proactive to that. If it is ideological then your motive is just to win based on a belief that you are right. One of those things is productive and one is not.

Re: TV: Now What?

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Post by coffeebeqn »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #117
Osiris wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Huge cable bills” - we’re already back there. Netflix is $23, Apple TV just increased to $10c Disney+ is now $14, Hulu is $20, Max is $16, Paramount is $10, Peacock is $6. You can easily spend $100 /mn on streaming services.

And the commercials are coming within a decade.

Disney + just added them to the plan I already paid for the next 12 months for when it didn’t have ads and I had no idea they were a part of the deal

Re: TV: Now What?

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Post by firesteelrain »

bmy78 wrote: post #29
Osiris wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Huge cable bills” - we’re already back there. Netflix is $23, Apple TV just increased to $10c Disney+ is now $14, Hulu is $20, Max is $16, Paramount is $10, Peacock is $6. You can easily spend $100 /mn on streaming services.

No one says you have to subscribe to ALL of the streaming platforms at once. If cost is an issue, pick 1 or 2 services, watch the shows you’re interested in, then cancel those and pick 1 or 2. Rince and repeat. You have choice with this approach and you don’t need every service offered.

You are technically correct however that does not work easily in practice. It is easy to forget. It’s not auto opt out.

Re: TV: Now What?

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Post by firesteelrain »

scarface_74 wrote: post #119
warkdarrior wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You cannot pick only Star Wars from Disney+ either. Or Orange Is The New Black from Netflix.

You can buy “Orange is the New Black” and Star Wars from iTunes… Or you can pay for one month, binge and cancel your subscription to each without a contract

You are a power user. Less savvy people can’t or won’t figure this out

Re: TV: Now What?

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Post by cmeacham98 »

Caboose8685 wrote: post #102
MobileVet wrote: post #11

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Correct. Personal archival is protected under fair use. [1] 1. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/10/28/2021-23...

Personal archival isn't exempt anymore, that dropped some years ago. The only archival exemption now is for "qualifying institutions".

You have a source on that? I can't find anything - so as far as I can tell you're just spreading misinformation.

Re: TV: Now What?

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Post by scarface_74 »

firesteelrain wrote: post #124
scarface_74 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can buy “Orange is the New Black” and Star Wars from iTunes… Or you can pay for one month, binge and cancel your subscription to each without a contract

You are a power user. Less savvy people can’t or won’t figure this out

Really? Only power users can search on an iPhone and click on a link and go to the TV app or is it only power users who know how to subscribe and cancel a subscription?

And only power users search Google for “Orange is the New Black” and click on “How to Watch”?

Re: TV: Now What?

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Post by scarface_74 »

Eisenstein wrote: post #121
scarface_74 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not a hypothetical. You are saying that the government should outlaw content producers from distributing their own content. How do you define content producers and are you going to force them to allow anyone to distribute their content? Are you going to apply the same standards to all content producers? There was never a time that Netflix had the majority of the top content - especially movies Sure you can watch…

Proposing something is one thing and having the final laws and regulations ready for you to dissect are another. Is it not possible to say 'this is a good idea' without having it taken to the most extreme possible point and then required to split hairs over hypotheticals? Are you arguing for a consumer first perspective or an ideological one? Because if you care about consumers you are not approaching dialog in any w…

I am simply saying that you come up with a proposal where the government tells content producers that they can’t distribute the content they create on their own website and where do you think is a reasonable place to draw the line on content?

Should the government also set mandatory licensing requirements for content and the amounts? Should the government force Disney to license a $100 million to produce marvel movie at the same cost as a $5 million Blumhouse movie?

Come up with a reasonable proposal where the government doesn’t allow you to distribute your own content.

Re: TV: Now What?

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Post by pianoben »

nullindividual wrote: post #54
slovette wrote: post #33

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While perhaps a nominal iteration of improvement, cable was this way too. You didn’t have to have the $100 /month service package. There was always the $30 /mo basic cable (no guide box). The industry simply recycling its business model in new delivery methods is a valid complaint/perception.

But! With cable, if you didn't buy the upper tier packages, you may have missed out on some great shows/networks (e.g., HBO). And cable companies often use contracts to make downgrading expensive. With streaming services, cancelling after you've binge watch the shows you're interested in comes with no penalty.

> cancelling after you've binge watch the shows you're interested in comes with no penalty.

...for now. We'll certainly see these kinds of shenanigans before too much longer. Take ads. They're creeping in to paid subscriptions now - despite the fact that an allure of online streaming is that you can pay not to see them.

Where there's the possibility of a revenue play, it will happen eventually.

Re: TV: Now What?

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Post by ggm »

So hear me out, I have this crazy idea.

For all the people who can't afford OTT services like hbo and Netflix and prime and apple tv, how about we remove all the excess IP overhead and send the mp4 over broadcast RF using a band like 700mhz from local hills or if need be make towers. We can pay by watching ads or something.

I mean sure, call me crazy, imagine everyone having to watch the news and movie at the same time, neat right? Wouldn't that be cool. Hell we could probably even send about 5 or so different signals out.

Re: TV: Now What?

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Post by hadlock »

Osiris wrote: post #19
jmbwell wrote: post #15

The fragmentation is both a flaw and a feature. It means we have diversity in media vendors, at the cost of a pretty high cognitive load to just watch something… which app is it on? What’s the account login? Search the device main search, then go to each app and do its own individual search. All while dodging ads and autoplay and “what’s new” and “for you.” It sucks for users. But it also sucks for developers, who ha…

“Huge cable bills” - we’re already back there. Netflix is $23, Apple TV just increased to $10c Disney+ is now $14, Hulu is $20, Max is $16, Paramount is $10, Peacock is $6. You can easily spend $100 /mn on streaming services.

How much TV do you watch??? If we're lucky we can squeeze 90 minutes a day in before bed. We have netflix, get prime video free with prime, and now that we have a toddler, we have Disney+. That's about $40 but there are NO ADS. If it's not on Netflix of Prime (or Disney+) we just don't watch it. There aren't enough hours in the day to go explore random series on Hulu, Paramount, Peacock. HBO Max has been a fucking disaster of a service for several years and runs like garbage on my TV. We cancelled it days after Game of Thrones ended.
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