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Update on the OpenAI drama: Altman and the board had till 5pm to reach a truce

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Re: Update on the OpenAI drama: Altman and the board had till 5pm to reach a truce

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post #54

My bet is this is all ginned up by Microsoft and Altman to put media pressure on the board, but with very little actual valid basis. It is a bluff. Microsoft is in a very very rough position here. They bet big on believing in Sam's wink wink cough "non-profit" cough wink wink only to run into some true believers.

Not a chance. Not a chance at all.

Re: Update on the OpenAI drama: Altman and the board had till 5pm to reach a truce

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post #50
post #10

> Update, 5:35PM PT: A source close to Altman says the board had agreed in principle to resign and to allow Altman and Brockman to return, but has since waffled — missing a key 5PM PT deadline by which many OpenAI staffers were set to resign. If Altman decides to leave and start a new company, those staffers would assuredly go with him.

There is no no compete agreement with Altman? How is that possible?

Virtually all non-compete agreements are illegal and void in California. Limited exceptions exist for LPs, etc, but they do not apply here.

Re: Update on the OpenAI drama: Altman and the board had till 5pm to reach a truce

#73
I think I’m on sutskever’s side in all this- AI safety, to the extent that such a thing is possible, is certainly more important than making a bunch of money in the short term. Potentially, this is the future of the whole human race you’re talking about- not the time to go on some ego driven macho crusade to make a name for yourself. It’s just terrifying that these are the kind of people fucking around with technology they don’t even fully understand. Have they never read cat’s cradle?

This technology is more dangerous than the hydrogen bomb, more dangerous than smallpox, and they’re just throwing it out there for everyone to play with. Calling this irresponsible is like calling the ocean a puddle.

Re: Update on the OpenAI drama: Altman and the board had till 5pm to reach a truce

#74
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Four top engineers already quit.

Out of how many?

Doesn't matter, the original statement being refuted was "I very much doubt a single engineer or scientist would side with him"

Re: Update on the OpenAI drama: Altman and the board had till 5pm to reach a truce

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post #50
post #10

> Update, 5:35PM PT: A source close to Altman says the board had agreed in principle to resign and to allow Altman and Brockman to return, but has since waffled — missing a key 5PM PT deadline by which many OpenAI staffers were set to resign. If Altman decides to leave and start a new company, those staffers would assuredly go with him.

There is no no compete agreement with Altman? How is that possible?

Those are basically unenforceable in California.

Re: Update on the OpenAI drama: Altman and the board had till 5pm to reach a truce

#76
post #44

This whole thing is gross. The sycophantic worship of Sam is gross and the paranoid AI safety people are insane. The singularity cultists are also insane. What happened? I remember when most of the people in this industry were at least okay. A little weird but okay. Of course judging by social media it’s a microcosm of the rest of society. People are utterly losing their minds everywhere. It’s both scary and amusing.

i feel the same way api but I did watch this entire thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaTRHFaaPG8 and now I can't stop thinking about Eliezer is so smart, smarter than me, should I listen?

No. You shouldn’t.

He’s smart, but smart is like having a big engine in the car. Says nothing about the driving. Big engine plus bad driver just means a worse accident.

Re: Update on the OpenAI drama: Altman and the board had till 5pm to reach a truce

#77
post #15

Currently discussed here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38327520 The article of the submission is updated as well so this is effectively a dupe.

No it is not a dupe, this is hidden in a different discussion

It's the topcomment of the discussion of the same article which is itself updated with that same information. That submission is on the FP.

Re: Update on the OpenAI drama: Altman and the board had till 5pm to reach a truce

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post #15

Currently discussed here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38327520 The article of the submission is updated as well so this is effectively a dupe.

Not really. This is new development that deserves a separate discussion.

Re: Update on the OpenAI drama: Altman and the board had till 5pm to reach a truce

#79
post #28

Fascinating, in a morbid way, to watch them disintegrate. Did no one on the board think to prompt their models for a plan? If they have an AGI I bet it’s dissapointed.

The AGI is already in control, and it's been reading Machiavelli.

Re: Update on the OpenAI drama: Altman and the board had till 5pm to reach a truce

#80
post #44

This whole thing is gross. The sycophantic worship of Sam is gross and the paranoid AI safety people are insane. The singularity cultists are also insane. What happened? I remember when most of the people in this industry were at least okay. A little weird but okay. Of course judging by social media it’s a microcosm of the rest of society. People are utterly losing their minds everywhere. It’s both scary and amusing.

Silicon Valley has a way of diminishing humans. So of course deep learning is about to eclipse human intelligence - the vast majority of humans are just stochastic parrots and NPCs, after all.
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