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Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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Post by explaininjs »

tzs wrote: post #138
explaininjs wrote: post #29

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Between 2012 and 2013, poison control centers reported over 7,000 cases of young children eating laundry pods. TikTok was released 2016. So yes, any truth-pursuing individual would deny that. But the media wants to blame TikTok, and people like you are are happy to buy it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumption_of_Tide_Pods

From the link you gave: > During the popularity of Tide Pods as an Internet meme, in the month of January 2018, the American Association of Poison Control Centers (AAPCC) "recorded 606 exposures in children less than 5 years old," in addition to an increase in teenage exposures. In January 2018, there were more teenagers exposed to pods than in all of 2016 or 2017. It sure sounds like the internet memes did in fact l…

The vast majority of tide pod consumption has always been young kids. And TikTok isn’t to blame for that. There may have been a small uptick in consumption by older kids “for the lulz” at some point, but that doesn’t make TikTok the culprit for tide pod eating at large.

To tie it back, some demographics might have had their antigenocidal views dictated by tiktok, but to claim the bulk of people would not have reached for them without tiktok’s influence is absurd.

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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Post by op00to »

eesmith wrote: post #113
op00to wrote: post #28

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Do you have any data to back up that assertion? As a teenager of the 90s, we were not all that globally conscious.

As a teenager of the 80s, we were conscious of apartheid in South Africa and the boycotts thereof, and of the starvation in Ethiopia ("We Are The World"). I remember reading the newspaper about the Shining Path in Peru, and about the Iran-Iraq War. The Falkland Islands War was a big one. The school librarian had a map open showing where the British Navy was on their way down. Right! Glasnot, and perestroika in Russia…

Congratulations on your wonderfully diverse and globally conscious upbringing. I do not think it was representative of most Americans experience in recent history. I remember reports in the news after 9/11 that most American children surveyed were unable to locate Afghanistan on a map, with only 17% being able to find the country. Similar abysmal numbers for identifying Israel and Iraq. America was next to last, Sweden had the highest geographic literacy. Basic geographic literacy is key to understanding world events.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/geography...

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Post by netsharc »

parineum wrote: post #111
netsharc wrote: post #36

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Arguably Bin Laden got a great ROI on 9/11, what was his budget to train 20 terrorists, and the Dubya/Cheney/Rumsfeld response was lots of trillions of dollars, sending a lot of young Americans to death and disability, and a world that grew to hate the US even more (not just the Muslim world; Europe too, remember "Freedom Fries"?). And damn, 20 years later who runs Afghanistan? Taliban, with surplus Humvees. So yeah,…

> Arguably Bin Laden got a great ROI on 9/11 Arguably? If anyone argues against that they're wrong. Bin Laden accomplished his objectives and beyond. The US objectives weren't to deny Bin Laden his though, they were to kill Bin Laden (and topple Sadam, for some reason). Both of which we also accomplished. The half hearted nation building was a facade and led to the quagmire and chaos that ensued.

> The US objectives weren't to deny Bin Laden his though, they were to kill Bin Laden (and topple Sadam, for some reason).

That's true, the Cheney admin didn't want to waste a crisis and they thought they'd bring a new century of American dominance[1]. It's kind of sad they didn't dare to do nation-building, unlike the Marshall Plan, although it was probably politically indefensible. (Wait until Americans hear that Iraq has universal healthcare.) I must admit I've read more than I care about the topic, like "Imperial Life in the Emerald City"[2] or Sarah Chayes' chapter about Afghanistan in her book about corruption, discussed in length in this article[3].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_C... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Life_in_the_Emerald_C... [3] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/01/19/corruption-rev...

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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Post by catlover76 »

op00to wrote: post #139
catlover76 wrote: post #104

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So you believe that there is no valid basis to criticize Israel's actions here, and that anyone who is critical thereof must certainly be acting out of bigotry and you won't hear otherwise? And nothing I pointed out about how differently the war in Yemen is situated in the Western consciousness (i.e. basically not at all) versus this one matters?

There are all manner of reasons to criticize Israel’s actions. I believe that most American teens opinions on this matter are influenced by either anti-Islam or anti-Jewish messaging they read through social media, and not a genuine interest in the conflict.

I have no doubt that anti-Muslim/Arab and anti-Jewish sentiment influence a lot of peoples' views, but you seem to be taking the view in this thread that it's appropriate to assume that's the case the first time you hear of anyone's views, to speculate it's the case that "most" American teens are influenced by those lines of thinking for some reason.

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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Post by xk_id »

parineum wrote: post #116

There are 3 distinct positions one can take in this situation that all get wrapped up together and cause people to talk past each other. You can support Israel. You can support Palestine. You can support Hamas. Not wanting Palestinians to die by the hands of Israelis is conflated with Pro-Hamas by Israel supporters. I categorically don't support Hamas while also being incredibly skeptical of Israel's current actions…

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Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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Post by eesmith »

op00to wrote: post #142
eesmith wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a teenager of the 80s, we were conscious of apartheid in South Africa and the boycotts thereof, and of the starvation in Ethiopia ("We Are The World"). I remember reading the newspaper about the Shining Path in Peru, and about the Iran-Iraq War. The Falkland Islands War was a big one. The school librarian had a map open showing where the British Navy was on their way down. Right! Glasnot, and perestroika in Russia…

Congratulations on your wonderfully diverse and globally conscious upbringing. I do not think it was representative of most Americans experience in recent history. I remember reports in the news after 9/11 that most American children surveyed were unable to locate Afghanistan on a map, with only 17% being able to find the country. Similar abysmal numbers for identifying Israel and Iraq. America was next to last, Swed…

Geography knowledge is a very different topic.

Most people in the 1980s couldn't have pointed to Ethiopia on a map, but they knew of the starving children there.

Most people in the 1980s couldn't have pointed to Afghanistan, but they knew Rambo went there in Rambo III, and that Reagan supported the "freedom fighters" there.

Most couldn't have pointed out South Africa on the map, but they knew who Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela were.

Why do you need to know where Palestine and Israel are on a world map in order to be aware of what's going on there?

> I do not think it was representative of most Americans experience in recent history.

Is your understanding of the global consciousness of the 1980s based solely on your perception of geographical knowledge of the era?

Do you really think modern geographical knowledge is significantly better?

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Post by jaredklewis »

op00to wrote: post #28
ketzo wrote: post #4

I mean, young people have been dramatically more pro-Palestine since long before social media. Grain of salt and all, but I don’t think it’s a wild claim on its face, especially once you account for the nature of network effects / filter bubbles.

Do you have any data to back up that assertion? As a teenager of the 90s, we were not all that globally conscious.

Just an anecdote, but I was a teen in the 00s. I became aware of the conflict my freshman year of college and my impression was that while complicated, among my peers (even Jewish ones) the greater balance of sympathies laid with the Palestinians.

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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Post by ADuckOnQuack »

xk_id wrote: post #145
parineum wrote: post #116

There are 3 distinct positions one can take in this situation that all get wrapped up together and cause people to talk past each other. You can support Israel. You can support Palestine. You can support Hamas. Not wanting Palestinians to die by the hands of Israelis is conflated with Pro-Hamas by Israel supporters. I categorically don't support Hamas while also being incredibly skeptical of Israel's current actions…

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Your link is dead... but the idea that the "vast majority" of Palestinians support a group that was elected way back in 2004, then immediately dismantled elections violently attacks any dissenters is laughable, Palestinians were bravely publicly protesting hamas (again, a group known for executing dissenters) just 4 months before the attacks, internal support for hamas is not high. https://apnews.com/article/gaza-hamas-demonstration-israel-b...

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Post by insanitybit »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #68
insanitybit wrote: post #35

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That's not an argument, it's an emotional appeal. Hence downvoting.

And the other upvoted commenters saying the refugee (their intl-recognized status) population are terrorists, is that just cold facts rather than emotion?

Who cares? I'm telling you why your low-effort, low-content emotional appeal is getting my downvote.

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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Post by xk_id »

ADuckOnQuack wrote: post #148
xk_id wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Your link is dead... but the idea that the "vast majority" of Palestinians support a group that was elected way back in 2004, then immediately dismantled elections violently attacks any dissenters is laughable, Palestinians were bravely publicly protesting hamas (again, a group known for executing dissenters) just 4 months before the attacks, internal support for hamas is not high. https://apnews.com/article/gaza-ham…

Link fixed. The source actually adds the nuance you mentioned. I guess it's possible they might oppose the Hamas rule, but also support the graphic violence of Oct 7th.
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