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TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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Probably because their president isn't on tv endorsing those horrors, funding them with their tax dollars and in general having their mainstream media champion them.

To take another brutal war affecting civilians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Saud... sure sounds like it had the endorsement of two US Presidents both from ends of the political spectrum, and it was a money sink for over $50bn in US tax dollars in 6 years (see https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-22-105988 ). I'm not sure if those teens even know how to spell Yemen.

I totally hear you and think it's messed up too, but I'm not sure this line of argument makes sense.

First, it's factually inapposite, because we don't have a bunch of disproportionately pro-Saudi American companies and billionaires trying to intimidate people speaking in favor of Yemeni civilians, considering ad blitzes to gaslight and obfuscate the issues, etc. We don't have a significant pro-Saudi bias in the media such that it views the conflict there as worthy of constant reporting and also as a relatively black-and-white struggle where Yemeni civilians either are getting what they deserve or are merely unfortunate collateral damage for justifiable military actions. We don't have a strong contingency of people in this country trying to act like speaking out against the killing of Yemeni civilians is being "pro-terrorist".

Second, it's logically inane to say that someone's criticism of something is invalid because they didn't speak out or criticize some other thing that they most likely don't even know about.

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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The entire conflict has been a staging ground for juvenile takes. From people demanding one side agree to a ceasefire that the other side never even offered to others calling for indiscriminate attacks on civilians on both sides. At best it is a lot of tough talk from ignorant people with zero skin in the game. The IDF and Hamas are just going to do whatever they think gives them maximum advantage while the world rem…

> while the world remains hands-off The world is not hands-off right now. Or specifically, there's a number of countries involved in effectively helping Israel's aggression.

The international community has been nurturing the dysfunctional status quo for some time in hopes of a two-state solution. With one hand providing weaponry to Israel–usually but not always defensive equipment like AA–and with the other billions in humanitarian aid to Gaza and the West Bank. Meanwhile other foreign actors have been funding the insurgency in Gaza to disrupt peace efforts. It's a very messy situation where the state of Israel has both committed crimes against Palestinians and is simultaneously presently unable to just go hands-off as foreign actors have demanded.

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

#93
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably because their president isn't on tv endorsing those horrors, funding them with their tax dollars and in general having their mainstream media champion them.

To take another brutal war affecting civilians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Saud... sure sounds like it had the endorsement of two US Presidents both from ends of the political spectrum, and it was a money sink for over $50bn in US tax dollars in 6 years (see https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-22-105988 ). I'm not sure if those teens even know how to spell Yemen.

I take that you care deeply about the civilian toll in Yemen, and aren’t just bringing it up to cynically deflect away from them main discussion here then.

Even if we take what you’re saying at face value, the notion that you can’t speak out about something that is wrong because there are other things that are also bad is preposterous.

We are talking about teens here, you basically chastising children for not taking to the streets when they were 10 years old, when the Yemen conflict started.

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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makes sense. ppl root for the underdog.

That's a shallow take. How about: people learned about the situation between Palestine and Israel and root for human rights and ability to live in safety.

> root for human rights and ability to live in safety

That plays both ways, but the way people take sides doesn't seem to.

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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post #63

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Israel is bombing and murdering thousands of Palestinians. That is why people are supporting them, not an algorithm "problem".

Tiktok has a very real algorithm problem that pushes terrorism & antisemitism to millions of people. They have started to crack down since the Osama thing, but prior to that tiktok refused to remove hate and calls for violence from their platform.

#freepalestine and #standwithpalestine (as mentioned in the article) are not terrorism or anti-semitism.

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

#97
post #59

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“Care” about a tragedy is entirely meaningless. Protest of your government’s policies to perpetuate a tragedy is slightly more meaningful. Not by much, granted. But slightly more.

Never saw a single protest when Obama was dropping a bomb every 20 seconds in 2016. I guess the noble peace prize made it okay.

are you suggesting there has been a year in US history devoid of protests -- or that people were unanimously happy with Obama and every one of his strategies?

neither are true.

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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post #59

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“Care” about a tragedy is entirely meaningless. Protest of your government’s policies to perpetuate a tragedy is slightly more meaningful. Not by much, granted. But slightly more.

Never saw a single protest when Obama was dropping a bomb every 20 seconds in 2016. I guess the noble peace prize made it okay.

How dare these teenagers not protest against war 7 years ago!

Sure they care now, but where were they when they were 8???

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

#99
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To take another brutal war affecting civilians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Saud... sure sounds like it had the endorsement of two US Presidents both from ends of the political spectrum, and it was a money sink for over $50bn in US tax dollars in 6 years (see https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-22-105988 ). I'm not sure if those teens even know how to spell Yemen.

I totally hear you and think it's messed up too, but I'm not sure this line of argument makes sense. First, it's factually inapposite, because we don't have a bunch of disproportionately pro-Saudi American companies and billionaires trying to intimidate people speaking in favor of Yemeni civilians, considering ad blitzes to gaslight and obfuscate the issues, etc. We don't have a significant pro-Saudi bias in the medi…

What if that criticism isn't actually because of the conflict, but because of prejudices against one of the parties? There are strong anti-Islam and anti-Jewish forces at play. That sort of racism generally invalidates an argument.

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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Been remarkable to see various political commentators freak out about this, lunging to conspiracy theories that Tiktok is brainwashing people, then immediately pivot to attacking the US government for not being in control of its own brainwashing social media service. The polling is pretty clear. The public, especially the young public, has moved on this issue and is out of step with the positions of the elderly polit…

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