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TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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Post by sumthingsumthng »

It's a hype train (am I using the term correctly here?), a trend.

Would be nice to trace it back to it's origin. This Hasan-Abi Streamer comes to mind. I only watched like 2 x 5 minutes on two different occasions, on one of which he talked about 9/11 [1], the potential conspiracies of which were a long debated topic back in my Uni days. In those days I learned a bit about the history of the Israel-Palestine conflict and since then, for over a decade, watched the media and politicians distorting the history AND the narratives quite a bit. It's easy to create a trend here and it feels very much like the goal is again, polarization.

[1] https://covertactionmagazine.com/2020/12/09/was-the-now-forg...

"A Force of Distortion: Effects of Media Bias on the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict"

https://english.umd.edu/research-innovation/journals/interpo...

"The Wrong Story: Palestine, Israel, And The Media"

https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctvddzjvr

"Media Bias in Covering the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: With a Case Study of BBC Coverage and Its Foundation of Impartiality"

https://surface.syr.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1296&con...

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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Post by dmoy »

vuln wrote: post #59
explaininjs wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Care” about a tragedy is entirely meaningless. Protest of your government’s policies to perpetuate a tragedy is slightly more meaningful. Not by much, granted. But slightly more.

Never saw a single protest when Obama was dropping a bomb every 20 seconds in 2016. I guess the noble peace prize made it okay.

There were definitely Syria war protests here in Seattle, 10 years ago. Substantial enough for ~1k people or so to block 2nd Ave

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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Post by baybal2 »

wk_end wrote: post #24
ketzo wrote: post #4

I mean, young people have been dramatically more pro-Palestine since long before social media. Grain of salt and all, but I don’t think it’s a wild claim on its face, especially once you account for the nature of network effects / filter bubbles.

The problem is that, while young people have been more pro-Palestine for a long time, historically a much smaller percentage were immersing themselves for hours a day in increasingly sensationalist, often misleading pro-Palestinian content; there historically was far less of an incentive to produce or disseminate it. So we quickly go from “pro-Palestine” to “pro-Hamas” to “pro-Osama Bin Laden” to “holocaust denial”.…

No, I would say some ideological lines of thought are intrinsically leading to repeatable, predictable outcomes — parting and opposition to the society.

Take communism. There were many grassroots communist regimes in the 20th century, and certainly not all controlled by Moscow, but they all degraded into very tyrannical regimes, caste societies by following very similar paths.

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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Post by op00to »

explaininjs wrote: post #79
vuln wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many civilians died in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan? Where were the protests? Israeli leadership is seen as right wing. If they were seen as left no one would even blink an eye. Obama was wholesale slaughtering people in 7 countries.

What’s your point?

Is there something specific about Israel/Palestine that isn’t present in those other conflicts? Something about the religion of one of the belligerents, perhaps?

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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Post by krapp »

apwell23 wrote: post #76
krapp wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the very least they demonstrate more than a bare minimum of insight and effort. But if you prefer to contribute nothing but low-effort snark to what should be a serious conversation, go off?

> At the very least they demonstrate more than a bare minimum of insight and effort sure but that doesn't automatically imply outcome is superior. Occam’s razor. > low-effort snark what snark. maybe try reading without a lot of emotion.

You're going to have to give us your parameters for "superior," and we can compare notes. I consider an informed opinion superior to an uninformed one, and a comment that displays insight to one without insight, and effort superior to a lack thereof.

I don't know why you're going through this much effort to defend your comment. You couldn't even be arsed to write the word "people" out entirely. I have to assume you're just here to troll.

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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Post by op00to »

Tiktaalik wrote: post #43

Been remarkable to see various political commentators freak out about this, lunging to conspiracy theories that Tiktok is brainwashing people, then immediately pivot to attacking the US government for not being in control of its own brainwashing social media service. The polling is pretty clear. The public, especially the young public, has moved on this issue and is out of step with the positions of the elderly polit…

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Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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Post by apwell23 »

krapp wrote: post #86
apwell23 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At the very least they demonstrate more than a bare minimum of insight and effort sure but that doesn't automatically imply outcome is superior. Occam’s razor. > low-effort snark what snark. maybe try reading without a lot of emotion.

You're going to have to give us your parameters for "superior," and we can compare notes. I consider an informed opinion superior to an uninformed one, and a comment that displays insight to one without insight, and effort superior to a lack thereof. I don't know why you're going through this much effort to defend your comment. You couldn't even be arsed to write the word "people" out entirely. I have to assume you'r…

> You're going to have to give us your parameters for "superior."

You should ask the person who implied shallow takes are inferior. Not me.

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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Post by explaininjs »

op00to wrote: post #85
explaininjs wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s your point?

Is there something specific about Israel/Palestine that isn’t present in those other conflicts? Something about the religion of one of the belligerents, perhaps?

Again, what’s your point? Don’t beat around the bush. Make a claim and provide a rational argument to support it. If you aren’t willing/able to do that, there’s no point debating you.

Re: TikTok says it's not the algorithm, teens are just pro-Palestine

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Post by [deleted] »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #68
insanitybit wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not an argument, it's an emotional appeal. Hence downvoting.

And the other upvoted commenters saying the refugee (their intl-recognized status) population are terrorists, is that just cold facts rather than emotion?

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